Mushawarat to organize National Muslim Political Convention
By TwoCircles.net news desk
New Delhi: The Markazi Majlis (Central Committee) of the All India Muslim Majlis-e Mushawarat,the umbrella body of Indian Muslim organisations, met here on Saturday, 13 June 2009, under the chairmanship of the national president Dr Zafarul-Islam Khan.
The AIMMM adopted a number of resolutions on the current national and international situation. In a resolution on the general elections, it welcomed the result of the polls, particularly the defeat of the communal forces and the formation of a secular government under the leadership of the INC. It expressed hope that an unfettered UPA will be able to implement the policies and intent announced by the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh who has said that Muslims on account of their backwardness should have the first claim on resources. The MMM said that the generosity or otherwise of the Congress-led UPA government will decide if the Muslim return to the fold of the Congress is permanent or not.
The MMM expressed it disappointment that very few Muslims were elected to the Lok Sabha raising the Muslim deprivation level to nearly 60% for various reasons, including the denial of tickets by secular parties and the contest among them in Muslim concentration seats and the division of Muslim votes. Indeed, eight states in which the Muslims are concentrated have recorded on even higher level of deprivation. The MMM noted with dismay that while the Muslim electorate had played a notable role in defeating the communal forces and thus ensuring the formation of a secular government at the Centre, it has been under-represented in the constitution of the Council of Ministers.
The MMM further said that it has decided to organise, in cooperation with other Muslim organisations of national eminence, a National Muslim Political Convention in Aug-Sept. 09 for consultation inter alia on advocating necessary changes in the political and electoral systems so that the Muslim and all deprived groups can be adequately represented. For this purpose a preparatory committee has been formed under the chairmanship of Syed Shahabuddin, Convenor of the Joint Committee of Muslim Organisations for Empowerment (JCMOE).
In a resolution on Reservation for Women, the MMM welcomed the move while cautioning that this should not prove to be a backdoor for the forward castes and the rich to grab more seats in the legislatures. Therefore, the resolution said, it is necessary to provide within any agreed quota for women sub-quotas for the marginalised sections including a specific sub-quota for Muslim women.
The MMM expressed its dismay at the precipitate announcement of the Minister of Minority Affairs that reservation for Muslims is not possible unless the Constitution is changed and said that “The basis of reservation is backwardness of a segment of society and this has been proved by the marathon exercise of the Prime Minister’s own committee headed by a former chief justice of a high court while the reservation for the minorities including Muslims was recommended by an official commission headed by no less than a former chief justice of the Supreme Court of India with the membership of some of our famous legal experts who cannot be ignorant of what the Constitution and polity of India allows or disallows.” The MMM rejecteds this announcement and said that it “smacks of using a Muslim to nullify a genuine right of the Muslim community just as Muslims were used to nullify reservation and status of Urdu in the Constituent Assembly shortly after Independence.” The resolution further said that burying the Mishra Report without tabling it in Parliament will be a betrayal which the Muslim community will not forget or forgive.
On the issue of terrorism, the MMM noted that “while open arms-training by Hindutva gangs continues, Bajrang Dal announces to recruit 25 lakh more workers, Abhinav Bharat terrorist organisation is still functioning and its leaders are at large, the Bhonsala school where the Hindutva terrorists received armed training still functions as if nothing has happened, and Hindutva terrorists are extending their activities to the neighbouring Nepal, arbitrary arrests of Muslim youths in the name of unknown and unproven outfits continues, Muslim youths are routinely acquitted by courts after years of incarceration but without a word of apology or compensation for smashing their careers. The MMM urges the central government to fix a uniform compensation for innocents whose lives and careers are destroyed as a result of prolonged incarceration.” The MMM further said that if the powers that be are serious to fight terrorism, they must also check state-terrorism as it breeds what they claim to check. The MMM registered its alarm that Gujarat under Modi has become the hub where plots are hatched in the name of fighting “terrorism” to kidnap Muslim youths from various parts of the country and take them to the torture cells in Gujarat. The MMM said that the latest plot of the Modi government with the cooperation of other BJP-ruled states is to initiate a witch-hunt against Muslim youths who may have been at any time in the past associated in any way with the banned SIMI. The MMM condemns this witch-hunt and considers the Union home ministry responsible for condoning Modi government’s machinations against the Muslim community in the name of fighting “terrorism”.
In the context of the shameful incident of Shopian and AFPSA, the MMM condemned the continued violation of human rights of Kashmiri civilians by the army and security forces in Kashmir and called for the withdrawal of the army and paramilitary forces from the towns and villages of Kashmir. The MMM also demanded the earliest repeal of the notorious AFPSA law in both Kashmir and the Northeast as it breeds a culture of lawlessness and unaccountability on the part of the armed forces which as a matter of principle must not be used against civilian populations anywhere in the country.
The MMM also warned the UPA government not to be tempted by its majority to implement the so-called“reforms” on the IMF pattern or pro-rich policies. It said that the pro-rich economic model has failed in the West and we should not think that it will succeed in India. The MMM also asked the UPA government to open the doors for the Islamic finance which promotes participation and accountability and discourages greed which is at the heart of the failed capitalist model.
The meeting was attended by the following members of the central majlis: Mr. Syed Shahabuddin, Maulana Ejaz Ahmed Aslam, Dr. Abdul Haque Ansari, Maulana Mohammad Shafi Moonis, Janab Nusrat Ali, Mr. Amanullah Khan, Dr. N. Rasul Siddiqui, Mr. Abdul Rashid Agwan, Prof. Mateen Ahmad Siddiqui, Mr. Mohammad Zaki Ansari, Mr. Akbar H. Jung, Mr. Ahmad Rasheed Shervani, Mrs. Nusrat Sherwani, Mr. Navaid Hamid, Prof. Habibur Rahman, Maulana Mohammad Shaib Koti, Dr. S.Q. R. Ilyas and the following special invitees: Dr. Ayaz Ahmad Islahi (Lucknow), Mr Zafar H. Jung (Delhi) and Mr Syed Irshad Ali (Bhopal).
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Following is the full text of the resolutions:
Text of the Resolutions passed by the Mushawarat Markazi Majlis (MMM)
13 June 2009
1.Obituaries
Golam Osmani, MP and member AIMMM from Assam, died on March 31.
Bollywood actor FEROZ KHAN died on April 27 at Bangalore.
Prof Zafar Ahmad Nizami, poet, author and chairman of Jamia Millia's Political Science Department died in Delhi's Escorts Hospital on 23 April.
MAULANA SAYYID SIBT-E HASAN RAZVI QA’IM NAJAFI, a noted Shia scholar, died in Delhi on 3 May.
Prof Qamar Raees, distinguished Urdu critic, writer and poet is no more. He died of jaundice in Delhi's Batra Hospital on 29 April.
Maulana Raeesul Ahrar Nadwi, distinguished scholar and Shaikhul Hadith of Jamia Salafia, Banaras, died on 10 May.
Maulana Abdul Hannan Qasmi, distinguished religious scholar, died on13 May at his home town Balasaath in Sitamrhi district of Bihar.
Raees Ahmad Jafri, noted Urdu journalist, died at his native village of Mahgar in Allahabad on 6 June.
Noted playwright and theatre personality Habib Tanvir, 85, died on 8 Jun 2009 after a brief illness.
KAMALA SURAYYA, noted writer and poetess from Kerala, died in Pune on 31 May following respiratory problems.
Abul Mujahid Zahid, distinguished Urdu poet Abul Mujahid Zahid died recently.
Khan Abdul Wadood Khan, 79, writer and author, d. in delhi on 28 Feb.
Abdus Salam Khan of Rampur, 92, d. rampur, scholar of Arabic and Islam, author of many books and won awards, died 13 April.
PK Abdur Razzaq Madni, scholar and author, state secretary of Kerala Navatul Mhujahidin, died at age of 73 on 12 april.
Ghulam Nabi Kochak, 81, former J&K minister and leader of Awami National Conference died at srinagar on 28 March.
Maulana Mohammad Ahmad Khatibi, former qazi of Bhatkal and oldest living Bhatkali, became qazi in 1974, died at bhatkal on 12 April.
2.Political resolutions:
Elections 2009, its aftermath and the Muslim agenda
The Markazi Majlis-e-Mushawarat (MMM) of the All India Muslim Majlis-e-Mushawarat (AIMMM) welcomes the result of the General Election, 2009, particularly the defeat of the communal forces and the formation of a secular government under the leadership of the INC.
The MMM conveys its best wishes to the new government for accelerating the welfare of the common people and, particularly, for uplifting of the Muslims and other deprived groups.
MMM is relieved that the communal and divisive forces have been routed thanks to the overwhelming support of the Muslim voter to the secular candidates. The AIMMM hopes that an unfettered UPA will be able to implement the policies and intent announced by the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh who has said that Muslims on account of their backwardness should have the first claim on resources. The generosity or otherwise of the Congress-led UPA government will decide if the Muslim return to the fold of the Congress is permanent or not.
The MMM is disappointed that very few Muslims were elected to the Lok Sabha raising the Muslim deprivation level to nearly 60% for various reasons, including the denial of tickets by secular parties and the contest among them in Muslim concentration seats and the division of Muslim votes. Indeed, eight states in which the Muslims are concentrated have recorded on even higher level of deprivation.
Also, the MMM notes with dismay that while the Muslim electorate had played a notable role in defeating the communal forces and thus ensuring the formation of a secular government at the Centre, it has been under-represented in the constitution of the Council of Ministers.
The MMM is also disappointed to note that the President’s Address to the Parliament on 4 June, 2009 had little to offer to the Muslim community. In fact, it has not even mentioned the Justice Mishra Commission Report which has been gathering dust for more than two years or reiterated the promise of reservation made in the Congress Manifesto of 2009.
The MMM is of the considered view that the Community must seriously ponder over the political situation and electoral system and formulate an appropriate political strategy and initiate preparation for the next general election in 2014 as well as short-term means for obtaining due response from the UPA Government and all secular parties to its legitimate aspirations.
The MMM decides to organise, in cooperation with other Muslim organisations of national eminence, a National Muslim Political Convention in Aug-Sept. 09 for consultation inter alia on advocating necessary changes in the political and electoral systems so that the Muslim and all deprived groups can be adequately represented.
The MMM decides to form a Preparatory Committee for the proposed Political Convention, with the Convenor of the JCMOE as its Chairman, and requests him to nominate 10 other members, inter alia, to interact with Muslim organisations and eminent personalities and finalise the object and purpose of the Convention, the venue and the programme and the invitation list as well as to prepare a draft Policy Statement and Programme of Action.
Reservation for Women
The MMM welcomes the move to provide reservation for women in the legislatures and considers it a step forward to empower the disempowered in our society but cautions that this may prove to be a backdoor for the forward castes and the rich to grab more seats in the legislatures. Therefore, it is necessary to provide within any agreed quota for women sub-quotas for the marginalised sections including a specific sub-quota for Muslim women.
Obama’s Speech
The MMM welcomes the tone and tenor of the US President Barak Hussein Obama’s speech to the Muslim World in Cairo on 4 June and considers it a good beginning and an attempt to open a new leaf in relations with the Muslim World after eight years of a totally unnecessary crusade against Islam and Muslims under President Bush in the name of fighting terrorism. After this good beginning, the American administration will have to prove its sincerity by actions to show that it is serious about mending fences with the Muslims around the world. If it does so, it will find an enthusiastic response from the World of Islam which has no reason to be at war with the West.
Israeli threats to Iran, Gaza
The MMM is concerned about the continued Israeli threats to attack the nuclear and other military facilities of the Islamic Republic of Iran under the pretext of frustrating Iran’s nuclear ambitions. The fact is that while Iran has signed the NPT, it allows IAEA inspectors to inspect and place cameras in its nuclear facilities and there is no evidence that Iran has nuclear weaponisation plans, Israel on the other hand keeps a huge arsenal of nuclear weapons. The fact is that Israel does not want any other country in the Middle East to challenge its hegemony and total control over the region and this is why it destroyed Iraq’s nuclear facility in 1982 and Syria’s last year. This goondaism continues with the blind support Israel gets from the West in general and the United States in particular. At the same time, Israel continues to threaten the defenceless and impoverished Gaza Strip with another brutal attack on the lines of its earlier aggression of December 2008-January 2009. The purpose of such attack will be to defeat the democratic forces in Palestine and make peace more difficult. The MMM condemns any attempt by Israel and its western backers to prolong the Zionist occupation of Palestine.
Minister of Minority Affairs on reservation
The MMM is dismayed at the precipitate announcement of the Minister of Minority Affairs that reservation for Muslims is not possible unless the Constitution is changed. The basis of reservation is backwardness of a segment of society and this has been proved by the marathon exercise of the Prime Minister’s own committee headed by a former chief justice of a high court while the reservation for the minorities including Muslims was recommended by an official commission headed by no less than a former chief justice of the Supreme Court of India with the membership of some of our famous legal experts who cannot be ignorant of what the Constitution and polity of India allows or disallows. The MMM rejects this announcement which smacks of using a Muslim to nullify a genuine right of the Muslim community just as Muslims were used to nullify reservation and status of Urdu in the Constituent Assembly shortly after Independence. The MMM urges the Union Government to go ahead and place the Mishra Commission in the national parliament and allow an open debate on the issue. Burying the Mishra Report without tabling it in Parliament will be a betrayal which the Muslim community will not forget or forgive.
Terrorism
The MMM notes that while open arms-training by Hindutva gangs continues, Bajrang Dal announces to recruit 25 lakh more workers, Abhinav Bharat terrorist organisation is still functioning and its leaders are at large, the Bhonsala school where the Hindutva terrorists received armed training still functions as if nothing has happened, and Hindutva terrorists are extending their activities to the neighbouring Nepal, arbitrary arrests of Muslim youths in the name of unknown and unproven outfits continues, Muslim youths are routinely acquitted by courts after years of incarceration but without a word of apology or compensation for smashing their careers. The MMM urges the central government to fix a uniform compensation for innocents whose lives and careers are destroyed as a result of prolonged incarceration.
The MMM is of the firm view that if the powers that be are serious to fight terrorism, they must also check state-terrorism as it breeds what they claim to check.
The MMM registers its alarm that Gujarat under Modi has become the hub where plots are hatched in the name of fighting “terrorism” to kidnap Muslim youths from various parts of the country and take them to the torture cells in Gujarat. The latest plot of the Modi government with the cooperation of other BJP-ruled states is to initiate a witch-hunt against Muslim youths who may have been at any time in the past associated in any way with the banned SIMI. The MMM condemns this witch-hunt and considers the Union home ministry responsible for condoning Modi government’s machinations against the Muslim community in the name of fighting “terrorism”.
Shopian incident and AFPSA
The MMM condemns the continued violation of human rights of Kashmiri civilians by the army and security forces in Kashmir. It is time the army and paramilitary forces are withdrawn from the towns and villages of Kashmir and the law and order responsibilities returned to the police which knows the people, their habits and traditions. The notorious AFPSA law should also be repealed in both Kashmir and the Northeast as it breeds a culture of lawlessness and unaccountability on the part of the armed forces which as a matter of principle must not be used against civilian populations anywhere in the country. The MMM noted with satisfaction Union Home Minister Mr P Chidambaram’s recent announcement that the central government is considering the withdrawal of AFPSA and the removal of the army from inhabited areas in Kashmir. The sooner this is done the better.
Economy and Islamic Finance
The AIMMM is anxious that the new UPA government may be tempted by its newfound majority to implement the so-called “reforms” on the IMF pattern. Our government should not follow pro-rich policies. The pro-rich economic model has failed in the West and we should not think that it will succeed in India. The UPA government should strive to innovate a poor-friendly economy in order to raise the living standards of the common man instead of increasing the gap between the rich and the poor. The UPA government should also open the doors for the Islamic finance which promotes participation and accountability and discourages greed which is at the heart of the failed capitalist model.
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Kashmir - Muslim Separatism
Shopian incident and AFPSAT:
Very sweet of you to " condemn the continued violation of human rights of Kashmiri "CIVILIANS" by the army and security forces in Kashmir"
As regards your request to withdraw the army and paramilitary forces from the towns and villages of Kashmir, I will first request you to demand withdrawal of terrorists and separatists from there.
Will I also get to hear your condemnation of Kashmiri Muslims celebrating victory of Pakistan in T20 world cup? Or a condemnation of their demand to merge with Pakistan or separate from India? Of course not. Of course not!
When Mr Syed Shahabuddin, Convenor of the Joint Committee of Muslim Organisations for Empowerment (JCMOE) stated his position that Kashmir should be allowed to "Separate from India", what he meant was that Kashmiri Muslims should be given another nation which can chose to either merge with Pakistan or stay independent. On top of that, he would still expect Indian and the Hindus to practice secularism in India.
May I ask what moral right will Indian Muslims have to seek a secular Indian state after Kashmir is separated from India, on religious grounds (even if we ignore our first partition) ?
And to just reiterate a well known but never admitted fact, there is nothing like "Kashmiri nationalism" behind the demand for separation from India, it is plain and simple Muslim Separatism flowing from the 'Nation Of Islam' philosophy
Proportionate Representaion? what next?
So now you are going to demand promotional representation for Muslims (addition of other deprived groups) is just a smoke screen to not show the real intent.
Let me guess your next steps:
After proportional representation is granted to Muslims, you will complain that despite proportionate representation, your voice is not heard because the majority is not with Muslims so either change the constitution to allow only Muslims to vote for matters related to Muslims or to allow a separate parliament for Muslims, where legislations relating to Muslims can be passed.
Next. Muslims are not adequately represented in Judiciary because of lack of appropriate education so allow a Muslim Judiciary where muslims with Shariah education can be used. This will also help in providing the much needed Justice to Muslims oppressed by the Rabid Hindus.
Next Inadequate in Police, so Muslim police
And so on and finally demand for another partition. Wasn't this perceived lack of adequate representation at the heart of demand for Pakistan?
As a matter of fact, Muslims have already been given proportionate representation by creating the parliaments in Pakistan and Bangladesh. And the same holds good for all the demands for reservation for Muslims in Secular India. Muslims have got enough reservation by creation of Pakistan and Bangladesh.
So in India, compete with other Indians in a fair manner based on competence. In any case, even now Dalit Muslims have been given reservation in most of states? Will this ever stop?
abhaq- if ALLAH so powerful why everyone NOT Muslim.
Allah could have made everyone become a Muslim as it is just a matter of change of mind. The fact is that Allah could NOT even protect the family of Muhammad- Ahl al Byat, his entire male decedents were killed within 35 years of his death- the last at Karbala. How will protect ordinary Muslims if he couldn't protect the family of Muhammad who was so intimate with ALLAH, that Muhammad used to visit ALLAH on the winged horse while he was alive.
At KARBALA the AHL-AL-BYAT had fought under severe thirst, dehydration, exhaustion, and agonizing feeling for the family of the Prophet (pbuh) . Imam Husain heard his baby crying because of the thirst and he held the six months old youngest son (Ali Asghar) in his arms, and appealed to the enemy fighters for some water. But the baby was shot with an arrow killing him instantly. Imam Husain filled his palm with the blood of the baby, and threw it upwards toward the sky, complaining to Allah (swt),
"O' Allah, O' my Lord! My consolation is the fact that Thou in Thine Majesty are witnessing what I am going through." YET ALLAH DID NOT RESPOND.
Now about QUR'AN.
PROPHET MUHAMMAD (p.b.u.h)married Khadeja in 595AD and remained monogamous for 24 years as long as Khadeja was alive. Allah did not tell PROPHET MUHAMMAD (p.b.u.h) to marry any other women and Muhammad was monogamous till the age of 49years. Khadeja died in 619AD and Muhammad married more than 13 women in the next 13 years till his death in 632AD including Ayesha, a 9 year old child and Zyenaba, his adopted sons wife. Why did Allah wait till death of Khadeja to propound multiple marriage for Muhammad???? Would Allah have prescribed 4 wives for Muslims in Qur'an if Khadeja had out lived Muhammad and died after death of Muhammad in 632AD????
So QUR'AN is NOT the word of GOD but something propounded by MUHAMMAD for many thing including satisfying his sexual urge.
muslim conference
It will be stupid to organize a "Muslim" conference.
If the muslim leaders are interested in muslim youth development, they should organize grass-roots specific programs in vatious regions. For example, in kerala and Tamil NAdu. the loacl muslims have done a good job in taking advantage of educational opportunities. In north India, the ghettoitization has created huge issues for Muslims. So, people from that locality, who know the issues, should organize grass roots movement -not blaming govt or harping about problems or looking for govt handouts - Set up funds, establish colleges, make sure seats allocated are taken etc.. Womens education is totally neglected by North Indian Muslims, even Hyderabadi muslims. The issue is not with hindus or Govt; the issue of Muslims is from within. A manifestation of that is happening in destructive behavior in Pakistan ; it is happening in the vitral hatred between sunni and shia..Why acnnot Muslims live in peace/ Why do they constantly have to kill or blame? Why cannot they live with peopel who believe in some other philosophy/ These are all fundamental issues mislims should delve into. Muslims have fundamental issues in a pluralistic democracy. The leaders of the community should teach them as to how they can co-exist with their religious beliefs in a pluralistic society. Otherwise there is this constant pervasive feeling of alienation; one which other minorities - christian, udhists, sikh etc do not feel
muslim conference
Dear gopi.This world has only two types of people.Friends of ALLAH or freinds of satan.Unless everyone become freind of ALLAH there are bound to be clashes.Democracy is impotent& stupid system of governance.Islam is the only solution.Implement Islam 100percent it will help to minimize the problems we are facing,Inshaallah.Muslim youth should become freinds of ALLAH to achieve that.
Dont loose tolerance....Pls..
Dear Br Abhaq, May Allah bless u to understand his message rightly. Qur'an clearly says that Allah never intended to make the whole humanity to his community. Then why should u bear unnecessary tensions?
Mr Gopi raised some serious concerns.Why cant we look into them seriously? The system of Islam is not a monolith. We the Indian Muslims have to raise a new example in living in Plural societies. We get some good examples from the life of prophet also from graet Imams. Tolerance towards other sections was the key of that.
See, in this civilized era, seeing everything from a black and white perception will not help us. Admit our mistakes. Try to correct them. Spread the message of Islam while not considering all others as forces of Satan. There is another possibility also . Sombody may not be a Muslim, but may not be a friend of Satan too. So if u want to attract them dont blame them first....
Plural society
We dont need gopis and anonymouses to teach us Quran.Tolerating gujrats and so many innumberable riots is not the teaching of Islam.Muslims have ruled this country for 1000 years.Never ever such inhuman atrocities were committed on others.PLURAL SOCIETIES were created by us.You need a refresher course in Islam.Islam is the only religion acceptable to ALLAH.READ QURAN FOR REFERENCE.There is no other possibility.My job is not to attract.we have to convey the message in plain truth,whether someone likes it or not.
These stupids are trying to paint a picture of muslims as backwards just to prevent SC ST COMMUNITIES from accepting Islam.
abhaq- SC ST COMMUNITIES accepting Islam????
The followers of Islam who you claimed ruled India for 1000 years till 1947, are openly and vociferously declaring that NOW they are more backward than SC/ST. Why should anyone including SC/ST convert to a backward religion- ISLAM???
ISLAM has even made people in every country where it has followers "the most backward" in the world. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Somalia, Chad, Kurdistan, Chechnya, Nigeria, Philippines, Thailand, Ethiopia, Sudan, Morocco, Algeria etc etc are all backward and killing fields. Why even the Muslims of Bangladesh are coming back to India to work as labour due to poverty there. The only rich Muslims due their oil but they including Saudi Arabia with MACCA give that money to USA.
Plural Society
Abhaq
Alla wants one to remove ignorance, love human beings. If you think the world has to be 100% muslim or India has to be 100% Muslim, it is not going to happen. Moreover, all over the world, Muslims are killing Muslims - Pakistan, Afganistan, iraq, Yemen, Darfur, u name it.
When one combines stupidity with ignorance, it is a dangerous mixture.
It looks like your Alla is not compassionate and loving.
If you want to choose Talibanism or AlQuaedaism it is your choice. My request will be you move to some mountainous country and practise that.
You know the frucking Al Quaeda leaders are so coward.. they hide in caves and send the young children whose education is learning Koran by rote, to kill others and then be killed themselves.
Why would you follow that philosophy?
Did Indian Hindus or Hindus anywhere else make a big issue of SriLankan hindus being killed in SriLAnka? If Hindus cannot follow Sri LAnkan rules and live peacefully, and if they resort to violence, the warring faction should be eliminated. Did Catholic Christians make a big issue when UK was pounding on IRA? Looks like Muslims are always worried about Muslims in other countries (nothing wrong with that), than they are about their own villages and cities and countries.
In fact, while I congratulate the Delhi march of Msulims criticizing TAliban for killing the esteem Imam in PAkistan; I am also concerned that they did not until now march in protest of the various acts of terrorism pakistan sponsored people have been doing in India.
The strength and vitality of India is derived from its commitment to democracy, rule of law, plurality, secularism. The fact that it is a good path is amply evident when one compares India to PAkistan -- both started at the same level, essentially the same peopel although one can say diff religion; but historically of the same stock. Look what happened to PAkistan. PAkistan is bleeding not ebcause its peopel are Msulims, but ebcause it does not ahve any underpinnings of what are bneeded to eb successful in this world- no institutions, no core beliefs, nothing peopel can aspire to--education, life improvement etc. India, for all its problems (yes , there are numerous problems; yes Muslims (sme of them) have legitimate complaints; so laos many others have complaints too--Lk what we have built--world afmous Engineering Colleges, world respected IT industry, World recognised and respected artists, movie etc etc..
It is time we all pull together and make everybody's life a better life. We can do that in India, as Muslims, Christians, and Hindus. Forget all the differences or past complaints. Le us work together. I am a Christian; but I am an Indian first.
Plural society
I never claimed that world will be 100% muslim.Satan has requested ALLAH to allow him to live till the day of judgement,so that he can take maximum no of human beings along with him to hellfire.ALLAH will send all friends of satan to hellfire.If you are too eager to go to hell,its your choice.As a well wisher I CAN ONLY ASK YOU TO BECOME FRIEND OF ALLAH and shun christianity.ALLAH never divided children of adam(pbuh)into so many countries selfish nationalism.ISLAM treats all as brothers and sisters, not just indians or pakistanis.But those brothers and sisters who become freind of satan lose their relationship due to their evil deeds, topmost of evil deeds is worshipping other gods along with ALLAH or refusing to worship ALLAH. Jesus peace be upon him was one of the messengers of ISLAM.ADAM,NOAH, ABRAHAM,MOSES, JESUS , MOHAMMED PEACE BE UPON THEM ALL were ALLAHS messengers.They brought the same message.
What you are concerned about is this worldly life only.which is uncertain, may be this is my or your last day of life.The life hereafter is forever.One should prepare for that life,if you are intelligent enough.May ALLAH GUIDE YOU.
abhaq - Muslims are facing Hell FIRE in this world itself
abhaq - Muslims are facing Hell FIRE in this world itself- see what is happening to Muslims in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, and even India. In India, the Muslims who ruled India for more than 800 years, are now socially more backward than even Scheduled Tribe- that is effectively in HELL FIRE.
Why doesn't even the rich Muslim countries like Gulf Countries help the poor Muslims of India??? Why does all these Muslim Countries deposit all the money from selling petroleum in USA and England??
abhaq, who has seen life after death?? How do you know that there is a hell and heaven??? THIS WORLD IS HELL AND HEAVEN. It took 1700 years for Christians and Muslims to accept that Earth is NOT the center of universe and that sun does NOT go around the Earth. May be in another 500-700 years Christians and Muslims will accept Darwins Theory of Evolution and forget "spontaneous creation" of ADAM by ALLAH/GOD.
HUMAN BEINGS ARE LIVING BEING LIKE ANTS AND FLYS, AND DIE JUST LIKE ONE. IF YOU ARE WAITING FOR JANNATH" YOU ARE GOING TO BE HUGELY DISAPPOINTED. But if you still insist on the existence of Hell/heaven, the HINDUs will be in the heaven to receive YOU if you ever get their, as you have to wait till the day of judgment to get to heaven while HINDUs go to heaven immediately after death. ALL THE MUSLIMS WHO DIED FROM 620AD ARE WAITING FOR THE DAY OF JUDGMENT TILL TODAY, 2009AD, AND DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY YEARS MORE THEY HAVE TO WAIT as the day of judgment is not known to anyone including YOU.
So remain happy in the present world and be in heaven in this world. Forget about who gets heaven OR hell fire etc over which WE have no control.
human beings
pleasese visit www.harunyahya.com for updating your ignorance.
Don't be a bigot
Well even if you disagree with someone ou don't have to become a bigot and spew out trash.
Muslims did not accept EARTH was not the centre of the universe? WRONG! It was the muslim astronomers who actually forwarded this theory, as well as say that the Earth is round not flat as the Europeans believed. Galileo used to consult arabic books from Baghdad for his reasearch. And the muslim nations from Spaing to north africa, to Baghdad, Persia, India, Easter europe-turkey and Indonesia were one of the most advanced of their time. It was Europe that was BACKWARD. Muslim scientists were the most well known in the world and their universities(madrassas) were centres of knowledge
The problem now is that the "muslim" countries have given up the true teachings of Islam and confused themselves on what Islam means. They have to go back and get education and give up vilent extremism. Islam is FOR democracy and secularism, a look at the first Islamic constituion by Prophet Muhammad will proove this fact.
I suggest you do some proper research and read up on Islam and same goes for you Abhaq. It is more important that muslims become good muslims first before thinking about converting others. We have to go back on being honest compassionate and good human beings which were the qualities of PRophet Muhammad (SAW). That's why some groups like Tablighi Jamaat focus on muslims only and not on conversions - because muslims are not good muslims at the moment
Democracy and secularism
How many muslims were there when Prophet Muhammed(PBUH)started calling people to Islam.Tablighi Jammat was founded less than 100 years ago.Do research and try to become a muslim as Prophet(pbuh) wanted us to be.For that you have to study pristine Islam.Source of Islamic knowledge is Quran AND Hadith (saheeh),and not Fazail e aamaal which is full of rubbish stories .
Democracy and secularism contradict Islam.There always will be bad muslims around.Dont waste your time waiting for bad muslim to become good till the day of judgement.Actually you are afraid of non muslims thats why you are reluctant to call them yo Islam.No muslim will object if you call them to prayer,but do the same to non muslims then you will know what it takes to do Dawah, as Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) did.Be brave like our great sahabas if you are a muslim.
Abhaq has AIDS
Abhaq has an illness that is not proper for me to disclose. It is worst than cancer and there is no cure for it. His boy-friend / lover has left him. Abhaq's days are numbered., thats why he is venting his frustration(s) on this site. Ignore him. He is not worth the reply. God bless you Abhaq. You are seeing the fruits of your Karma now.
Dear Abhaq You are making
Dear Abhaq
You are making the job of anti-Muslim forces easy.No, You are doing the job of anti-Muslim forces.I doubt your Muslim name.You may be an agent of RSS or Zionists.Or at least you are a hard core wahabi-salafi.The language you have used is not the language of majority Muslims.It is not the language of our past generation.You please learn how our our ancestors lived.They have interpreted Quran and Sunnah and lived according to it.Their lives and the Muslim civilization clearly tell us how to live according to Islam.You be ready to learn Qur-an.It very clearly approve the possibility of existence of multiple religions on earth.Brother, people like you are making the life on this earth difficult.I dont know exactly who you are.You may be a man of RSS with racial hatred.Or you may be a man with Zionist- American imperialist links.Or you may be a man who failed to understand the divine scriptures like Bible and Qur-an.
Friends of Saitan
I am really impressed with you guys. When an honest true blue Muslim kike ABHAQ openly states the true Islamic Philosophy , he becomes an agent of RSS or Zionists.
At best this is Ostritch mentality or worse part of a Joint Strategy where some Muslims have been asked to oppose these pronouncements to deliberately obfuscate the True Islamic ambition.
Pluralism and schools of thoughts in Islam
There are two perceptions of Islam for past many years; Sufi perception and Salafi perception.Both groups have got ample of evidences in Qur-an , Sunnah and in history of Islam.Neutral Muslims respect both perceptions.We respect both Ibnu Taymiyyah and Imam Gazzali.None of these groups cant claim to have success even after centuries of debates.We cant ban any of these views.
Sufi perception of Islam is also called traditional sunnism.Salafi perception is sometimes called Wahabism.Both side has done much to Islamic thought. There were eminent scholars on both sides.If only one of these streams was present, Islam would not have become complete.The centuries old history of Islam after the final prophet is the clear evidence that both salafi and sufi streams are a part of Islam.
But recently among Salafi stream some extreme views started to appear.The example is the one represented by a poster called Abhaq in this forum.They allege everyone else other than them is Kafir and is in hell.They argue...argue..and argue.About shaking of finger in Tashahhud, length of beard etc..etc..Their language is of intolerance.They give over emphasis to letters.They misquote everyone and allege them as kafirs. Everyone is mushrik in their eyes.There are even strong allegations about Zakir Naik in internet by so called Salafis.Zakir Naik himself is a Salafi.Still it happens.See salafitalk.net.
This extreme salafism is a very new phenominon.I may call it neo conservative wahabism.It is very much against the spirit of Islam.The history of Islam is history of tolerance .I request Two Circles to publish a lot of articles about the past of Muslim culture, especially about the golden era of Baghdad and Muslim Spain.The religious tolerance of Demascus , Istanbul and Kordoba should be highlighted.The West learned the lessons of tolerance, democracy and human rights from Islam.But no one is going to accept our claims without evidences.So we should make every part of Islamic history available to public through internet.The neo conservative Wahabis who got upper hand in internet.Their methodology is really strange to Islam.Even strange to the teachings of Salafis like Rashid Rida and Muhammed Abdu.Neo conservative Wahabism should be addressed with Islamic history.
Some Barelvis of India is using strong words about Salafis.They are with vested interests.Their way of alleging terrorism on Salafis is not with good intension and is counter-productive.Terrorism is an international conspiracy by imperialists like America and Israel.Many Muslims have become puppets in their hands.They are making use of some gullible Muslims.Psychopaths have got no religion or school of thought.US and Israel is making use of all kinds of people, whatever may the religious affiliation of their family, Hindu, Christian, Barelvi or Wahabi.
We should stop allegations.Barelvi-Deobandi,Sufi-Salafi debates may go on, but with good intention and in good language, not to tarnish the image of any school of thought.
school of thought
Dear ZAQ,thanx for taking so much effort for the response.You mentioned you respect ibn taimia.Shall I ask you to take little more pain and research his books about sectarianism in Islam.Do you know what is the source of Islamic knowledge?Did Prophhet Mohammed(pbuh)left anything to be corrected by others?Why so many schools have sprung up after 100 years of his death?The muslims in this period were following which school of thought?Think over it and do some research. learn Arabic.may ALLAH guide you.
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