Madhyamam: A Muslim Media Success Story
Submitted by admin4 on 10 March 2009 - 11:37am
By Yoginder Sikand,
Kerala’s Muslims, who form roughly a quarter of the state’s population, are among the most literate Muslim communities in India. A major reason for, as well as a consequence of, the community’s high literacy rate is the thriving Muslim-owned Malayalam press. Today, literally hundreds of magazines, journals and newspapers are brought out by various Kerala Muslim organizations. These deal not simply with religion (as in the case of many north Indian Muslim-owned publications) but with social and political issues as well. These publications have played a crucial role in promoting social and political awareness among Kerala’s Muslims and in getting Muslim views and concerns across to fellow Malayali non-Muslims and to the state authorities and in promoting closer interaction between the various communities in Kerala.
Set up in 1987 by the Ideal Publications Trust, most of whose members are affiliated with the Kerala unit of the Jamaat-e Islami, Madhyamam is regarded as the most successful Muslim-owned daily newspaper in Kerala. It boasts the third highest circulation among all Malayalam daily newspapers in the state. Its chief editor O.Abdur Rahman stresses that it is not a specifically Muslim or an Islamic paper. ‘Madhyamam is geared to all Malayalam readers and takes up general issues, while focusing in particular on those related to marginalized and minority communities, including Dalits, Adivasis and Backward Castes, and not just Muslims alone. We see it as the voice of the voiceless’, he states. ‘We have been consistently anti-imperialist, supporting a range of liberation movements and also bitterly critiquing fascism, extremism in the name of religion and terrorism’, he adds. He describes Madhyamam as ‘a value-based paper, stressing ethics and morals, in contrast to commercial papers, whose sole motive is profit-making.’
Madhyamam’s editorial offices are located in Calicut, the major intellectual centre for Muslims in Kerala. Currently, it brings out separate editions from six cities in Kerala—Cochin, Trivandrum, Cannanore, Mallapuram, Kottayam and Calicut—and two in Karnataka—Bangalore and Mangalore. Separate Gulf editions, catering to the half million-odd Malayalis living in Arab countries, come out from Dubai, Bahrain, Kuwait, Doha, Dammam, Riyadh and Jeddah, making Madhyamam the largest-circulated Malayalam newspaper in the region. In addition, the Madhyamam Weekly magazine has a circulation of some 25,000. Currently, the entire Madhyamam group has some 1200 staff on its rolls, including around 500 full-time journalists.
A major challenge that Madhyamam has had to contend with is lack of sufficient advertisement revenue. Explains Abdur Rahman, ‘Newspapers survive on money from advertisements, but from the very beginning we had decided, as a matter of policy, to be very selective about the advertisements we published. No ads showing immodestly-clad women, no ads for banks, alchohol, fraudulent investments and movies. This is why we had to suffer major losses, and even now just manage to break even.’ A portion of the profits that the paper generates is diverted to the Madhyamam Health Care Programme, which provides free medical facilities to poor people, irrespective of religion and caste in hospitals with which it has a tie-up with. In the last six years, some 3000 patients have benefited from the Programme at a cost of 3 crore rupees.
A major problem that Muslim-run papers face, Abdur Rahman explains, is the lack of professionally-qualified journalists. It was to address this concern that last year the Madhyamam Institute of Journalism was launched. Currently located in the paper’s Calicut office, the Institute offers a one year diploma in journalism. At present, it has fourteen students—girls and boys, Muslims and Hindus—on its rolls. The course fee is Rs.20,000. ‘This is the only Muslim-run institution of its kind in Kerala,’ says Abdur Rahman. The course involves considerable hands-on training in Madhyamam itself, and successful students are likely to be absorbed by the newspaper after they finish.
What lessons does the successful Madhyamam experiment provide for Muslim-owned media houses in India? How is it that Madhyamam has made such bold strides, in contrast to many Muslim-run papers in other parts of the country? Abdur Rahman insists that for Muslim-owned newspapers in India to be effective must be broad-based in their appeal and approach, and not limited just to Muslims alone. ‘A Muslim-owned daily newspaper should be secular, and not confined to simply Muslim community or religious issues,’ he says. ‘This is the only way we can present our views and problems to the wider society. Otherwise, others will not take us seriously and we won’t be able to have any impact outside a narrow Muslim circle. The example of ghettoized north Indian Urdu papers well illustrates this argument. Because of our approach, many of our readers are non-Muslims.’
‘We do not regularly publish articles on or about religion as such, limiting ourselves, as any newspaper should, to just news and views about news’, Abdur Rahman elaborates. ‘On religious festivals we bring out special issues, but this is not limited to just Muslim festivals. We do this for Onam and Vishu—Malayali Hindu festivals—and for Christmas as well.’ He contrasts this ecumenical approach to that of most Muslim-run publications in other parts of India, which, he laments, ‘focus only on Islam alone, often narrowly defined, and ignore social issues.’
‘At the same time,’ Abdur Rahman continues, ‘this does not mean that a Muslim daily newspaper should ignore Muslim concerns. What we in Madhyamam do is to present news as news, and highlight all relevant news, and not just developments concerned only with Muslims. But we also highlight our own views about the news in our editorial pages and in the columns to which we invite specialists to contribute. In this way, Muslim perspectives on various developments can be articulated. We also allow people to critique us in our columns. Muslim papers must allow this, and abstain from a one-way monologue.’
Another advice that Abdur Rahman gives for Muslim-run papers is to invite non-Muslim writers to contribute their views. ‘A number of leading non-Muslim intellectuals and social activists write for Madhyamam.’ To make for a healthy work environment, he also suggests that Muslim-owned papers employ non-Muslim professionals too and not make themselves into a Muslim-only concern. ‘In Madhyamam some forty per cent of our journalists are non-Muslims—Christians, Hindus, Marxists and atheists. And our staff have their own political leanings and affiliations. Some are pro-Muslim League, others are with the Congress, and yet others are with the Communists, but that does not matter as long as they work in a professional manner,’ he says. This openness to others, he remarks, is a hallmark of Kerala society, where different religious communities share a common culture and a strong common identity as Malayalis. ‘A major drawback of most Muslim-owned papers’, he opines, ‘is the lack of professionalism. A multi-religious and multi-communal workplace can make much of a difference in this regard.’
Madhyamam has ambitious plans for the future, says Abdur Rahman. These include a daily English newspaper, with simultaneous editions from Delhi, Mumbai, Calcutta, Hyderabad, Bangalore and Chennai, a regular television channel (that would follow the same media policy as Madhyamam), as well as new editions from some other locations in Kerala. Certainly, then, a novel experiment that other Muslim media houses could learn much from.
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iam nigerian state kebbi i found my self in our commmunity with people non muslims, they are worshipping idols .the chrisian are goig to them by introducing their relagion to them and our muslims they did not take action about and i hate it but i dont have the kwowlege i can preach to them due to lack of background of arabic language althuogh i memorize the holly quran. and iam studiying agriculture in usmanu danfodio univresity sokoto nigerian with all this i promise and swear if yuo offered me admission i will go to it .i will stop here by saying my Allah (S.A.W} help us ,guid us in a straight way and make his paradise to be our fate and my he make my application to be considered .
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MADHYAMAM AND TWO CIRCLES
Ventures like Madhyamam and Two circles are indicators about the new trends in Muslim community.Yes....we are moving forward without compromising our identity.No need of anxieties....We can be optimistic.
KERALA MUSLIMS : THE REALITY
Some of the posters in this forum made an impression to the reader that Kerala Muslims are divided into sects and are fighting each other.But actually, day by day Kerala Muslims are getting more and more closer.At the same time they are enjoining the atmosphere of pleurality with a sportsman spirit.
There are two schools of thought in Kerala Islam; Sunnis and Mujahids.This division is strict only in the eyes of Ulema.Common man do not mind this division much.Sunnis go to Mujahid masjid and study in Mujahid Madrassa and vice versa.
Sunnis are traditional Muslims similar to Barelvis in North India.Mujahids are similar to Ahle Hadith/salafis/Wahabis in the other parts of world.
Sunni Ulema got two organizations: AP and EK factions of Samastha Kerala Jamiyathul Ulema.
Mujahid Ulema organize two mass organizations:AP and Madavoor factions of Kerala Nadwathul Mujahideen.
These groups do not affect common man.The community given recognition to these groups as multiplicity of organizations can accomodate more Ulema and also common man can enjoy the flexibility of many opinions.
Two other religious organizations are there.Tabligh Jamaath and Jamaathe Islami.Both Sunnis and Salafis work in this Jamaaths.
THE POLITICS:
1.Muslim League:Previously Muslim League was having support of Muslim community of North Kerala especially in Malappuram district.Now the support base is rapidly melting down.
2.Congress:Previously enjoyed support of South Kerala Muslims.After Babri Masjid demolition Congress lost the support.Now once more becoming popular slowly,among Muslims, thanks to Kanthapuram Musliar.
3.CPM:Previously isolated by Muslims as godless etheists.Now the support base is increasing rapidly, again thanks to Kanthapuram Musliar.
4.PDP:Abdunnaser Madani's party.Average support. By South Kerala Muslims.
5.INL:No much support.Got one MLA thanks to CPM.
Cultural and educational organizations: MES , MSS ,Mecca and somany others.
Growing movements:
1.All India Sunni Jamiat Ulema:This is another name of Samastha Kerala Jamiyat Ulema, AP group led by Kanthapuram Aboobakr Musliyar.May be the fastest growing religious organization.Enjoys support of secular parties like CPM and Congress and strong antipathy of Muslim League.
2.NDF now PFI:Millitant organization.Encroaching to Muslim League support base.Most of the members are ex-Muslim League workers.Members of parties like Muslim League,CPM and Congress are working in NDF.It is said that they got political ambitions.
3.Jamaate Islami:Slow but sustained growth.Educational, social,religious,media and political works.Plan to launch a political party in which members of other communities can also work.
Movements with negative momentum:
1.Kerala Nadwathul Mujahideen:The movement which brought about revolutionary changes in Kerala Muslim's life is now gradually declining in growth.The fall started after a split in the movement.
2.Samastha Kerala Jamiatul Ulema: The original faction of this traditional Muslim organization, which is now known as EK group, is slowly dying.The rival faction under Kanthapuram Musliar is only growing.Really, Samastha is the organization of mainstream Kerala Muslim.
Brother Basheer is misguiding
Brother Basheer is misguiding people with his biased views towards AP sunni group. He has got it wrong that that Salafi views are on decline. Salafis are opposed to Jamath, Tabligh, AP/EK Sunni views. So, stating that Salafis work in Jamaaths have no basis. The AP/EK views are confined within Kerala or at most some parts of India. They have brought in so many innovations in the religion which has no proof in the Sunnah of the prophet.
Brother Basheer, doesnt know much about Salafis and shouldt comment on something he isnt unaware of. Yes, its true that few people defected from KNM to from another group for positional gains. But, the concept of Salafism is above these divisions.
Madhyamam, the success story.
It is Madhyamam daily,which started the impartial news reporting in Malayalam.Till the apearance of Madhyamam, it was reign of upper caste psychology in the journalism of Kerala.Even communists were under the influence of feudel culture.Muslims were totally neglected by the media.If some news about Muslims apeared; then it would be some debate about polygamy or some controversial fatwa.The media projected Islamic Shariah as a uncivilized code of law.Muslims were caricatured either as stupid comedian or as a villain.There was a time many decades ago; when even public programmes of Muslim League were totally neglected.After the apearance of Madhyamam daily and weekly; a new era started.Now all other main stream media are compelled to give Muslim view of every problem.Islam and Muslim community is discussed in positive angle.Some periodicals regularly publishes some articles about Muslim culture for increasing circulation.
Dalit issues,Tribal issues,; other side of industrial and real estate developments; environmental issues; issues related with land mafia,pseudo sciences like astrology and vastu , man gods; all these issues are discussed in mainstream media after the brave begining of Madhyamam.
The advertisement policy of Madhyamam is brave and ethical.
Madhyamam is leading the war against dowry system,alcoholism,and smoking.
political freuds are afraid of Madhyamam.
Communal forces also afraid of Madhyamam.Be it majority communalism or minority communalism.
Madhyamam fights against corruption without looking who is involved.
G Karthikeyan,the congress leader and former minister of cultural affairs admitted in a public meeting that,it is Madhyamam which sets the trend in the field of periodical journalism.
I agree that Madhyamam had
I agree that Madhyamam had gained roots in the Muslim society in a very cunning manner, by appealing to the morals and ethics of the Muslim society. But this is only in line with their precepts that religion can be used as an opium, and that the end justifies the way. The same tactics are used by the Marxist party too today, whose Muslim-love is very apparent in the case of Gaza, Chechniya and other such faraway places, but not in the Bengal under their own nose.
As you have said “even communists” were under the influence of feudal culture. But your “even communists” were taught about equality and social justice by Islam. The same goes for the war against dowry, corruption, alcoholism, astrology and man-gods; whereas Marxist party is the champion of the liquor unions in Kerala. Anyway be aware that there is no need to try to interpret communism in an Islamic way, or Islam in a communist way, using these.
Again, I admit that Madhyamam rose up by upholding the interests of the community initially, who mistook it as protecting their interests, but has now stabbed them on the back them by its slavery to Marxist party. No wonder that noble souls like O.Abdullah, who is the most talented Muslim media worker in Kerala, and a key promoter of Madhyamam in its formative years, has been ousted from Madhyamam now.
I am not against the Marxist party or the communists, and I believe they have the right to live according to their own ideology and also admit their sincerity in many cases, but Muslim community certainly doesn’t need a hypocrite newspaper like Madhyamam.
The situation now demands even a more urgent struggle to find an alternative to the Madhyamam for one which upholds true religious values and secular ethos of the country, and I hope you all will join this struggle.
This kind of lies will be
This kind of lies will be easily recognized by the Keralites.They will understand the hatred which led to this type of posts.But those who dont know much about Kerala may get a misunderstanding especially those in North India.For them I simply point to an example.CPIM secretary Pinarayi Vijayan even did send a legal notice against Madhyamam weekly for an article they published in which Pinarayi allege that there are comments in that article which defame him.But as the truth was with Madhyamam, Pinarayi could not proceed furthur.
The issue you mentioned
The issue you mentioned about Pinarayi Vijayan may be true. But we should recognize that there are two factions in the Kerala CPM - led by Pinarayi and Achuthananthan (the man-god of Madhyamam) - and Madhyamam subscribes to the latter. (Yes, Madhyamam has got specialization too in its brand of Marxism!). Also no wonder that Madhyamam has been very vocal (or "brave" as somebody mentioned) in the Lavlin corruption case - as it is Pinarayi who is implicated here.
Still I would like to tone down my rhetoric a bit here. I dont deny some positive roles Madhyamam has played and continues to play for the Muslim community. But just consider this: Malayala Manorama, first in circulation and run by Christians works for the Christian community. Mathrubhumi which is second and run by Upper castes works for the Hindu community. Deshabhimani, run by Marxists, works for the Marxists and the castes traditionally affiliated to it. But Madhyamam which draws on Muslim ideals and funding, too work for the Marxists - whose ideology is the anti-thesis of Islam. Is it fair?
If Madhyamam had true integrity it should have tried its hand as a self-proclaimed Marxist newspaper like Deshabhimani. If it had managed to get a circulation of 1000 copies in this fashion I too would have saluted them. However their hypocritical game using Quran on one hand and Marxism on other speaks poorly for their ideological veracity and uprightness.
But as an experiment which actually worked in the Muslim community, I admit the significance of Madhyamam, and would like it to be around - at least till there is some alternative.
It is very disappointing to
It is very disappointing to spread this kind of lies without any hesitation.Kerala's communist intellectuals have done their maximum to brand Madhyamam as a communal news paper with Islamic agenda.Only recently they stopped the campaign.The honesty,sincerity,professionalism,transparency and the commitment to communal harmony are the factors due to which every neutral reader of Madhyamam became aware of the false campaigns.Still it is only Madhyamam which successfully exposes the internal contradictions of communism and its failure.It is only Madhyamam which brings the different aspects of Islam and Muslim world to the readers.
The undercurrents of this success story.
The success of Madhyamam can be attributed to the unholy nexus of an extremist organization striving hard to hide its true colour and win a secular face at the cost of the community's interests, and the communists trying to get a foot hold in the Muslim community by any means.
"O.Abdur Rahman stresses that it is not a specifically Muslim or an Islamic paper."
"On religious festivals we bring out special issues, but this is not limited to just Muslim festivals. We do this for Onam and Vishu—Malayali Hindu festivals—and for Christmas as well.’"
The truth is that till Madhyamam was barely able to avoid spelling mistakes, it was avowedly "Islamic", with no dearth of quotings from Quran, Hadith, Islamic history, and reports about world's Islamic movements. It was only after it could afford to pay non-Muslim intellectuals Madhyamam decided to get rid of all these.
"Because of our approach, many of our readers are non-Muslims."
Very hard to believe. Can you provide statistics? Even today Madhyamam is secular only in its outlook, but certainly not in subscription.
"At present, it has fourteen students—girls and boys, Muslims and Hindus—on its rolls."
"In Madhyamam some forty percent of our journalists are non-Muslims—Christians, Hindus, Marxists and atheists."
"A portion of the profits that the paper generates is diverted to the Madhyamam Health Care Programme, which provides free medical facilities to poor people, irrespective of religion and caste in hospitals with which it has a tie-up with.""
Even the secular India government is concerned about the plight of Muslims and willing to give them special priorities. Here are our ultra secularists with the name "Jamaate Islami", and past literature it would prefer to hide, funded wholly by the community, but using the funds to polish their secular mask.
"How is it that Madhyamam has made such bold strides, in contrast to many Muslim-run papers in other parts of the country?"
I do not grudge our comrades. After all they are willing to strive for their ideology and make sacrifices. Here there exists the Muslim congressmen too, content to forget their role and sacrifices in the freedom struggle and the legacy of Azad and Ali brothers, and the educated class, content with their engineering and clerical work and with never a thought for the priorities of the community. After all we have our Jamaate Islami and Prakash Karat to look after us. Lal Salam!
History of Madhyamam is
History of Madhyamam is the best sucess story of Muslim media in India.Madhyamam is appreciated by people from all walks of life in Kerala.Still some posted sectarian and partisan thoughts under this article.It is disappointing.It is more disappointing that it is some Kerala Muslim League workers who write under the name Karoly and Prathibha who started this cheap sectarian writings.Kerala Muslim League leaders have got good relation with Madhyamam.Even Congress and CPM got good connection with Madhyamam. I request Karoly , Prathibha and Sunni muslim to respond intelligently to Islamophobes like A K Singh instead of preaching sectarianism.
ISLAM
ISLAM
I - Islam
S - Shall
L - Leberate
A - All
M - Mankind
So Ak Singh and Pratibha know Islam and it will leberate you
Thank you Yoginder Sikand
Thank you Yoginder Sikand for explorating the creative sides of Muslim community of India.This is a critical juncture in the history of Indian Muslims.Muslims are really frustrated due to Sangh Parivar Fascism and also due to the so-called Islamic terrorism.Journalists like you are doing a great job, the significance of which will be really understood only in future.
Islam
Yoginder sikand has always wrote about Wahabi Version of Islam.
Did he close his eyes when visiting kerala.The great work done by Sunni Markaz Kerala and Samatha grp is always neglected by him
No Problem actually he might be paid by these NeoMuslims who are in tiny Minority and are defaming islam all over the world.
Long Live Sunni Unity
Prayers and hard work.Then
Prayers and hard work.Then Allah will make Indian Muslims, the best community in this world.
Madhyamam Daily
Best wishes to a very successful and prosperous future.
TV Channel
It is very important that now a days all are viewing television only more than news paper.so it is very necessary to avoid misunderstand against islam as well as muslim.
Misunderstanding About Islam
Maududism is not Islam
Wahabism is not Islam
Qadiyanism is not Islam
Islam is Islam
Come to Islam
Accept Islam
Embrace Islam
Quran is for you
Prophets Sunnah for you
Understand it
Study it
Misunderstanding of Islam is a creation of 'muslims' themselves.
Stop irrelevant talk.
Deobandis,Barelvis,Wahhabis, Moududis...Please stop calling these cheap names at least in a discussion about politics and media.Muslims should be trained to stop irrelevent talks.
Prathibha alleges that Muslim schools of thoughts like Salafi school,Ikhwani-Moududi school are similar to heretical Qadiyanis.It is very cruel.Two circles should block this kind of hate mongering posts to enable a creative discussion forum.
Who is this prathibha.
I am a sunni follower.I usually watch two circles.I notice one die hard worker of Muslim League is posting matter in the name 'prathibha'.To my wonder now he write against wahhabism.Anyone with some knowledge about Muslim League know it is a Wahhabi group.That is why Sunnis of Kerala are now seperated from Muslim League under the leadership of Moulana Kanthapuram Aboobakker Musliyar.Most of the leaders of Muslim League are Wahhabis.I agree, they have a Sunni showpiece,Shihab Thangal.Keeping Thangal as a leader of Wahhabi group is hypocracy.Writing of Prathibha against Wahhabism is also hypocracy.
Prathiba is one who Goes Stright Forward
A 'Sunni' says my writing against wahabism is hypocracy! His argument is that Muslim League is an Wahabi faction. Best if my knowledge when India divided into Pakistan and Indian Union, All India Muslim League dissolved. Most of the Indian Muslims stayed back in Secular India. India never divided into Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan. The real action was that Muslim populated region demanded a seperate state, due to the threat by Hindu fanatics and hooligans, mainly by Hindu Mahasabha.
In a secular India Muslims have the right to united together, politically to achieve thier goals. South Indian Muslims have no leaning toweards Pakistan and it is unthinkable to migrate to Pakisatan. Islam came in Kerala (South India) when Prophet Muhammed was alive. The Muslims in India are not came from Arabia or elsewhere. Their root was very deep as their non-Muslim brothers.
The Indpendence of India and following tragedy - Hindu-Muslim conflict, the biggest disastar India ever witnessed - was an eye opener to the Muslim community. The Greatest Indian, (Qaide Millath) Ismail Saheb (Madras) and Seethi Saheb attended the last sermon of All India Muslim League in Culcutta and proclaimed, they will unite the Indian Muslims under a Political Banner. Later in 1948 in Madras City Indian Union Muslim League formed under the greates Indian Muslim Qaide Millath Ismail Saheb.
I do not know Ismail Saheb was a Wahabi or Seethi Saheb or Poker Saheb. But I know very well that Ismail Saheb is a Muslim who goes stright to Holy Quran and Prophet Sunnah instead of following 'kanthapuram', 'Madavoor', 'AP Musliyar' or 'KP Musliyar'.
Islam is a great way of Life mercifully delivered by God to the humanity. Muslim is one who submit to God, though his/her name is Krishna, Omar, or Maria.
But it is wonderful to see the Kerala Muslim 'Scholors' divided the Muslim people to various sects and built thier own Masjids. Mujahid Masjids, Jamaath Masjids, Sunni Masjids, Tableegue Masjids etc... (and surprisingly in Kerala, Muslim Masjids are very rare!) And even in Marriage, they made barriars and Madrassas (not school of thoughts. the pre primary and primary madrassas) also taught sectarian views.
I am the one who follows Quran and Sunnah and I am not following Ahamdiya, Wahabiya, Maududiya, Jisthiya, Tariqathiya like semi-human-god built up cults. And inviting you all to the real root of Islam. Whoever and whatever you are Embrace Islam. Come to Islam. May Allah guide you to the right path.
Please Prathibha and
Please Prathibha and Sunni,
Dont spread sectarianism.Instead , respond intelligently to Islamophobes.If we have to ever escape from todays bad situation , we have to stop sectarianism.
Prathiba has ONE God, ONE Deen and ONE way
Dear Haneef
Prathiba is fighting those who are trying to divide Islam. By the will of God, Islam will exist. Maududism is not Islam; Wahabism is not Islam; Qadiyanism is not Islam; Bahaism is not Islam......Only ISLAM is Islam.
Haneef, do you among anyone of these sects or cults. Leave it. Come to Islam. Accept Islam. Study Quran and Hadith. Do not follow the 'scholors' blindly.
Once Daeoband Mullas issued a fatwa against a dughter-in-law who was raped by father-in-law (later proved that all are unreal and magnified stories). No one said anything. Prathiba contacted Daeband Mullas. I wrote emotionally. (Are they Muslims, who issued fatwa against Islamic teachings?) After months they apologized and withdrew the fatwa. That's why I demand to all to study Islam from Holy Quran and Hadith. If have doubt, discuss it with various scholors and reach yourself to a conclusion. God will reward you, if you are right. Even you are wrong, God will reward you for your keenness and hardship to find out the truth.
Now in Kerala, there are various sects (actually it is all cults. One spiritual leader and followers) They are doing so many good things. But they are dividing Muslims. So do not bow down to them. That is the way of Satan. Keep away from satans.
I DEDICATE THIS POST TO
I DEDICATE THIS POST TO AMBALANKANDI ABDUL KHADER AND SON OF SHEIKH KUNDUR USTHAD WHO ARE BRUTALLY KILLED BY MUSLIM LEAGUE WAHABIS.
It is RSS and Muslim league are the ideological cousins who put forward the theory of partition of india.it is due to the partition of india all hindu and muslim terrirism developed later.Todays all terrorism are due to Muslim league and RSS.Pakistan is the gift of RSS and Muslim league.
Pakistan is the only nation where shia sunni sectarian riots occur.Muslim league and pakistan is same.In Kerala muslim league is the cause of wahabi sectarianism.Muslims of all other states kicked the muslim league from politics. Now kerala also kicked them out.Pakistan is a failed state. Muslim league is a failed political party.Sunni ulema were against partition of india.
In kerala, muslim league and wahabis killed son of kundur usthad and ambalankandi abdul khader.Many masjids are conquered.Ulemas attacked.But now after hardwork politicians are behind Kanthapuram Usthad.Now no Ulemas are ready to obey rich, arrogant and fuedel type Muslim league leaders.Where there is League , there is sectarianism.If it is not the case then why League is involved in all group issues.It is making use of all bad things.We sunnis are not against you.But you sholud stop playing politics in masjids and madrassas.Dont support wahabis.
I KNOW IT IS NOT GOOD TO POST THIS KIND OF MESSAGE HERE.BUT I WANT TO SAY TO ALL READERS THAT ONLY TRADITIONAL SUNNI ULEMA CAN BE DEPENDED FOR RELIGION. FOR POLITICS ANY SECULAR PARTY WHO ARE READY TO RESPECT US IS O.K. NO MUSLIM PARTY LLIKE MUSLIM LEAGUE , PDP,NEW PARTY OF JAMAT ISLAMI ARE NEEDED.
Prathiba offer you PEACE
Dear 'sunni'
Calm. Cool Down. I pray to Almighty for your immediate recovery from hatred. Let God gives you PEACE.
Your letter deserve no reply, but I wish to inform you that Muslim League you are speaking is the one "All India Muslim League" born on 1906 and expired on 1947. Later in Pakistan they united under the same banner. In India the great visionaries like Ismail Saheb established "Indian Union Muslim League" in 1948 at Chennai. India divided in 1947 and IUML come to existence in 1948.
How this IUML caused the partisan of Great India? Think about it, please. IUML is not a failed political party. You do not have the knowledge about Kerala Muslims, dear freind. CH Mohammed Koya become Kerala Chief Minister and E Ahmad, present IUML President became Indian Union External Minister for State.
Kanthapuram Ustad is doing so many good things by the rich's money. Say thanks to God.
But Islam can't be divided among Sunni, Shia, Qadiyan, Bohra, Bahai, Maududi, Wahabi, Kanthapuri, Madavoori etc. Hundreds of good deeds will vaporize when one divide community itself. Even satans will do good things, to attract and divide people.
Come to Islam. Allah will forgive you and your Usthads.
pratibha, your reply may
pratibha, your reply may make our brother cool.Try not to use strong words.Every Muslim got some leaning to some madhabs, .It is not wrong to have madhabs.No common man is able to draw knowledge directly from Quran and hadees.Salafis usually claim they can directly take law from Quran and sunnah.But even they are divided.
Once more my advice.Dont use strong words.Yuo are talented .Your talent to be used for community.Not for arguing.
Prathiba- make me understand Islam and Qur'an
Prathiba- make me understand Islam and Qur'an. Please explain the following verses of Qur'an so that I understand Islam and Qur'an better. I have been trying to obtain a clarification from many- but has not succeeded. Please help me
Surah 3/28- Al Imran – Let not Believers take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than Believers.
Surah 4/117 -An Nisa- The Pagans call upon female deities. They call upon Satan.
Surah 5/51- Al Maidah – Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends.
Surah 5/82- Al Maidah- Strongest among men in enmity to the believers will you find Jews and Pagans.
Surah 8/12 – Al-Anfal- I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers. Smite you above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.
Surah 9/1 to 5-At- Tawhah- Declaration of immunity to Unbelievers and then slaying the Pagans.
Surah 9/29-At- Tawhah- Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day- Until they pay Jizyah.
Surah 9/30-At- Tawhah- Christians call Christ son of God.- Allahs curse be on them.
Surah 47/4- Muhammad- When you meet the Unbelievers smite them at there neck.
Surah 8/ 38 and 39- Al Anfal- Fight unbelievers.
AK Singh-confused hindu mind
AK Singh, please yourself. Ambedkar said converting to anything is better than Hinduism.
And after studying many Hindus like you, I reached the same conclusion.
Liberal Hindus have a strong character and they will understand I am not against Hindus per se. I am not fueling Hindutva.
You are a Hindu fascist by choice, you did not become one because of me. The time has come to fight Hindu fascism.
Your argument is like saying people should not have fought Nazism, as it would have strengthened Hitler.
You are saying this, not because you disagree with Hindu fascism, but you seek immunity for it.
By the way AK Singh, I am an expert at setting Hindutva Hindus and Brahmins on fire. You are not the only one who I drove mad. Hindutva has no intellectuals and it never will.
You are no different, despite your posing. Hindutva is a movement for ruffian Hindus like Togadia, Advani, Modi ....all mouth and no trousers !!
While Pratibha and other good Hindus have all accepted you have something more than the ordinary Hindu, it is also clear that you have something missing, that is why you cannot quite match me.
You will see that no Hindutva Hindu has been able to counter me in argument; they end up using bad language, which is always a sign of defeat.
AK Singh, I am not against Hindus or even Brahmins per se. I am against Hindutva Hindus like you.
Among Hindus, we have fine people like Pratibha. I can recognise fine people when I meet them.
We need more fine people amongst the Hindus for India to succeed. I do not see too many fine Hindus at least in this TCN board.
AK Singh, on religion, you claim you are decent hindu, but you talk like an angry Hindutva Hindu, who feels nobody respects Hindus. If people do not respect Hindus, you can change that by good behaviour and reasoned explanations.
I note that Pratibha has written something on religious outlook. She is decent in her outlook, and one respects her. I am impressed by her.
You combine duplicity with rage, and it is very unbecoming.
You should look at Pratibha and reform yourself. I know your reaction will be 'I do not need any certificate from a Muslim or a Christian'.
AK Singh, you claim you have knowledge of Muslim terrorism because you think you know what they think. I have not come across any Muslims dreaming of recreating Omar's caliphate, or Mughal empire.
What we see in India is Hindu fanatics wanting to create a Ram Rajya - which was entirely fictitious !! These Hindus are public figures - Advani and others.
Did the Muslims take out a procession anywhere to recreate the Mughal empire ?
Or did the Hindus create rath yatras to reclaim Rama's mythological capital ?
That is India's problem.
Go by the evidence, not by your projections and unfounded Hindu fears !
Minorities have been subjected to Hindu mob terrorism on a far larger scale than what the outside attackers have done.
Christians were attacked in Orissa, were they thinking of recreating the British empire ? You are silent on that.
It seems you do not want to address Hindu terrorism within country, while you are in a rage about foreign terrorism.
Qur-an 60:7-9 “Allah
Qur-an 60:7-9
“Allah doesnot forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who did not fight against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes.Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes,and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them.”
Prathiba is Happy if u find the Truth
Dear AK Singh, Two Circle is not related to me. I am afraid that all my messages may not be reached to you. As you have too much enquiries, it is very difficult to write in detail. I am not a scholor in Islam. In Islam, there is no priesthood. If you are ready to find out the Truth (God, who created you)and seek his help he will guide you to the right path.
Islam is not the one, you seen around you among the 'muslims'. All the Muslim name holders are not submitting themselves to God. And there is no 'Islamic Names' and 'Non-islamic Names'. There is only Good Names and Bad Names. There is only Good Action and Bad Action. These Good and Bad is clearly stated in Holy Quran. Quran is the Filter!
Take your first Querry: Quran 3/28 (3:28) The believers may not take the unbelievers for their allies in preference to those who believe. Whoever does this has nothing to do with Allah unless he does so in order to protect himself from their wrong-doing. Allah warns you to beware of Him for it is to Allah that you will return.
Beleivers means one who believes in God. Non believers means one who doesn't believe in God. Very Clear. Then as a believer, why should be prefer unbeliever. Do you believe in God's Existence? That is the question. If you answer in affirmative, I can prefer you as my allie than one who deny God. It never spread inhumanity as you thought, but it guide us to peace, mental and physical.
Quran is avilable online and in bookstores. English translations also available. Explanation may required. Even you can refer Prophet Muhammed's traditions and biography. If you wish, you can gain. And I hope you can serve the humane beings by spreading PEACE (ISLAM) to the people, which is the right of every mankind. Do not think that it is the private property of Muslim name holders. It is for us - for the MANKIND.
Prathiba and Haneef - don't fudge the issue.
Prathiba and Haneef, You must be giving a verse from Quran before "Hijra" when Muhammad was not the tyrant he was which he became at Madina. Muhammads personality under went an extreme change at Madina. It can be proved by the following example. Muhammad Married Khadija in 595AD and remained monogamous for 24 years till Khadija died when Muhammad was 49 years old. Thereafter , at Madina he married more than 9 times including a 9 year old girl Ayesha in the next 13 years till he died in 632AD. What will you call an old man who become so "lecherous" between 50 years of age to 63 age especially when he was an epitome of good virtues for 24 years from 25 years of age to 49 years of age by being faithful to a single wife??? Muhammad would have been all pious and religious as long as he was in Mecca when he had no major following but at Madina and after he returned to Macca again as a "victorious sultan" he was a changed man and it is reflected in Qur'an too. At Madina Muhammad instigated Muslims to Murder all Kafirs- it must be relevant to the difficult times Muhammad was facing then. But retaining those verses in Qur'an, has given an excuse for "fanatic Muslims to kill non- believers- Hindus included"
Prathiba, while you tried to elaborate on first Verse why did you abstain from the Verses on "female deities" knowing that Hindus pray to female deities??? What about
Surah 8/12 – Al-Anfal- I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers. Smite you above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.
Surah 9/1 to 5-At- Tawhah- Declaration of immunity to Unbelievers and then slaying the Pagans.
Surah 9/29-At- Tawhah- Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day- Until they pay Jizyah.
I want to spread peace- but certainly not the Islamic way!!! Which Islamic country is at peace with itself leave alone it's neighbors????.
We can very easily collect
We can very easily collect verses similar to the above ones from any holy book or scriptures.Be it Bible , Gita ,Mahabharatha or Ramayana.Qur an has to be read only in context.No wise man read books out of context.Those verses revealed into a battlefield is not relevent in a peacfull atmosphere.I can quote any number of verses from Quran which seems to be very much opposite to the above verses.It is not contradiction.Quran addresses man in every field.A verse applicable to a man inside the parliament may not be applicable to a man in the bedroom.And the translation of the word Jihad is not always war, armed struggle or to fight.Only the word Qital means war.Jihad has got meanings like to strive in the way of Allah.For example the Greater Jihad in Islam is to fight with himself.Hatemongers may continue their war.But I request truth seekers to go through Quran, the Sunnah,and various interpretations of them.Only through the Sunnah (hadith books) we can know the context of each verse of Quran.Only by going through the classical Islamic text books and history of islamic leaders and scholars, we can get an idea of application of the Quran and The Sunnah into the real social sphere.
Haneef- collect -- I do not have to abide by it as a Hindu
Haneef- collect as much as you want to collect from any Hindu scriptures. Why did you stop at Ramayan??? Why not the "Manu Smrithi- it is the favorite of MUSLIMs??? But Haneef, I do not have to abide by any of those scriptures to be a Hindu. But if you do not abide by Qur'an, you can not be a MUSLIM. DO you understand the difference???
Your explanation of Jehad gives me a feeling that you are a wise, mature and learned man. But are all Muslims like you?? Can Taliban who blast girls school be like you??? Can the terrorist who attacked Mumbai on 26/11 and killed innocent people, including 38 poor MUSLIMS at VT station be wise like you??? Evidently, some MUSLIMS are using QUR'AN out of context!!! If I suggest a remedy, I will be abused and called "ignorant". So the Muslims must do something. Indian Muslims have an important roll in leading the ISLAMIC WORLD because the most "intelligent and educated Muslims" of the world are Indian Muslims. We are all proud of each one of you.
Can it be done??? YES. But does the Indian Muslims have the "will power to do it"??? Presently - A BIG NO. When will they wake up??? Allah alone knows!!!!
Hinduism is an 'anything goes religion'- AK Singh
AK Singh, Hinduism is an 'anything goes religion'.
You have porn in your temples and you proudly say it is art.
So when Hussain made some paintings of a nude Saraswati, it is also art and it should not offend your Hindu sensibilties.
The Hindutva Hindu response is a grossly affected and artificial one; it seems you are looking for an opportunity to misbehave and act like monkeys, to show a false Hindu pride.
If Hussain had painted something similar using Christian or Muslim personages, that would be against their traditions.
You say that the Dalits are converting because we have been spewing venom on Hindus.
Why do you assume that Dalits have no intellect and they cannot see what is good for them ? That is a typical Brahmanic view.
You really wish the Dalits ill, like a nasty Brahmin !
Hindus are converting due to the nature of Hinduism. You believe that it is due to bribes, and so you justify violence against Christians.
You boasted about the Virtues of Hinduism, but you cannot explain what it is.
India's problem is Hinduism's caste system. India needs to end it to become a developed country. It can be ended only by conversion.
The foremost Dalit intellectual Ambedkar reached the same conclusion, so who are you (as a parasitic upper caste) to say otherwise ?
The picture shows that the Bajrang Dal motto is garv say kaho hum Hindu hain. It is a reflection of the Hindu inferiority complex. This is the root of the problem in India.
Now what is the meaning of this slogan ? It means the Hindus were previously ashamed to be Hindus !!
The question then is Who made the Hindus ashamed to be Hindus ? Christians and Muslims ?
I am not aware of any Christians and Muslims telling the Hindus to be ashamed. The Hindus themselves feel ashamed !!
With such a religion and its monstrous practices, that is bound to be the case.
Imagine a Hindu child brought up in America who is taught that he has to worship the elephant god Ganesh. He is bound to feel awkward.
Ask one of these Hindus bursting with Hindu pride, who write here, what Hinduism has contributed to India, and he is blank.
You boasted about the Virtues of Hinduism, but when asked what this was, you could not say.
Another fellow called Pradeep in other internet board told me that Hindus fought foreigners with dharma, that is why they could not win. What is this dharma ? He could not say !
What is the solution to regaining Hindu pride ?
Advani's approach was to train Hindus in mob violence. Raise mobs, break mosques and churches, and conduct pogroms.
This brings pride to Hindus, but internationally it brings shame to India and contempt for Hindus.
The Hindu inferiority complex is very difficult to overcome, that is why I recomend conversion. Glad to see that someone else recommends the same.
Hindus need to have rethink. If you have pride in Hinduism, that is fine, but do not attack others.
If you feel ashamed of Hinduism (as the people who project their Hindu pride do), they should convert. It will bring peace to their troubled souls.
Anti Chaddhiwala- answer a few doubts- can you???
"So when Hussain made some paintings of a nude Saraswati"
If Hussain makes a nuse painting and names it "Fathima", Ayesha, or Khadija, Hindus have no problem. But when it comes to Islam and Christianity "Hussain" is very prudent. Why????
"porn in your temples"- Islam is the religion of Abraham's God. Isn't it??? So it follows that the origin of Islam is in Old Testament. Is the Old Testament less pornographic?? If you disown Old Testament Islam will cease to exist. Of course - Muhammads 13 wives, after he was 50 years old, including Ayesha a 9 year old child, when he was monogamous for 24 years from 595AD to 619AD- when he had only Khadija as wife- is epitome of pornography.
"garv say kaho hum Hindu hain". Yes, Hindus have massive complex. If all 85 Crore Hindus passes urine together, the 16 Crore Indian Muslims will drown in a sea of urine!!!But alas, Hindus just can not unite??? But if it happens, as and when it happens, just RUN, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!
"what Hinduism has contributed to India" - secularism. Pakis and Bong Muslims have declared their nation an "Islamic republic" while India is secular with 85% Hindus. Malaysia with just 60.5% Muslim is also an Islamic country!!! So thank your star that 85% Hindus have not declared India a Hindu Country, wherein, Muslims become second class citizens similar to the plight of all other religious groups in "Islamic Countries".
Can you answer a few questions just for convincing myself that what you claim- that ISLAM is the most PEACEFUL religion is correct???I have been seeking an answer from many - but nobody is giving an answer. Can you???
What would have happened if KHADIJA had out-lived MUHAMMAD- that is- "had Muhammad died before the death of KHADIJA"???? Wouldn't MUHAMMAD through QUR'AN have said that "monogamy" is the most virtuous quality for MUSLIMS???
“Surah 4/117 -An Nisa- The Pagans call upon female deities. They call upon Satan.” Evidently A Muslim associates God to be male.
But how are you so sure GOD IS MALE??? Wouldn't the world have perished if FEMALEs did not exist. SO WHY CAN NOT THE GOD BE A "SHE" AND NOT A "HE"and still remain ONE????
AK Singh has mouth but no trouser
AK Singh consult the question and answer it.
Many Hindu ask me whether India is too soft with Pakistan. Hindus obviously feel India is soft, but they cannot explain why.
Let me tell you why.
We have too many Hindus like you who are all mouth and no trousers.
Hindus who talk big like you went into hiding - like Raj Thackeray. Hindus themselves are asking where Raj Thackeray was.
Hindus are only good at fighting in mobs within the country, against minorities, with police support.
As one my dalit friend said, if 10 Pakis did this, you can imagine what 10,000 can do?
AK Singh is in denial about Hindutva terrorism
AK Singh, you are in denial about the Hindutva terrorism that plagues India and which has brought the country to this sorry pass.
For many Hindus, Hindutva terrorism is patriotism - it is majority communalism and fascism, so it is alright.
The fact is Hindus organised pogroms against Sikhs, Muslims and Christians. The other communities have not done this.
There are far more Indians who have died at the hands of Hindus than due to Pakistanis.
So one has to go by the evidence available, and conclude Hinduism is India's problem.
India is not going to go anywhere because of your Hindu mentality. The Hindu mentality is to sow division so that an upper caste elite can rule.
So AK Singh, the Hindu mobs led by Indian politicians who killed Christians and Sikhs were in fact Pakistanis ?
How come the Sikhs and Christians blame the Hindus. They don't know who attacke them ?
What about the Muslims who were killed by Hindu mobs ?
It requires a Hindu intellect to advance such an argument.
You people are not far above the monkey in intellect. You belong to the worst community in India.
AK Singh, learn to write English properly.
If bombs exploded in USA, U.K. and Spain, that is because they also did something wrong - like invade Iraq and Afghanistan, support Israel.
Before they did these, no bombs exploded there.
Anyway, that is their problem, not India's. Bombs will stop exploding in those countries when they withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan, and stop supporting Israel.
In India, bombs started exploding only after the Hindu mobs demolished the Babari masjid. So you have no one to blame but yourself. You reap as you sow.
AK Singh, Hindus have created pogroms against Sikhs in Delhi, innumerable riots against Muslims, and also killed missionaries and Christians.
Therefore, the problem in India is Hinduism. One has to go by the evidence on show. It is silly for you to imagine that if you kill others, there will be no repercussion.
AK Singh, you want to fight Pakistan sitting in India/America.
Does it matter that Pakistan's nuclear bomb is Chinese/Korean ?
The reason India is unable to go to war is not because Hindus would not like to attack Pakistan (even without evidence), but precisely because you fear the counter attack.
It will be better for Hindus to fix all the internal divisions they created in India. This much is in your hands.
Attacking Pakistan today is not in your ability, so forget about it.
I asked you if Hindus like you could not stop 10 invaders who supposedly came by sea, how can you fight an entire nation equipped with nuclear weapons ?
So cut out all the tall talk. Hindus like you are like Raj Thackeray, that is you can only fight within India. You are good at fighting in mobs with police support, if there are 100 of you and 1 of the minority.
AK Singh, you are a first class Hindutva joker. So your argument is that Hindus became frustrated, they could not hit Pakistan, so they beat up Muslim citizens of India.
Can you expain why the Hindus massacred the Sikhs in Delhi, and the Christians in Orissa ? What was your furstration then ?
It seems the common factor in all the troubles in India is the Hindu inferiority complex and insecurity.
That is evident in the question posed by TCN and the sort of answers we get from the majority of Hindus.
AK Singh, more Indians have died in riots in Delhi (against Sikhs) Ayodhya, Bombay and Gujarat (against Muslims), and Orissa (against Christians), than in attack from Pakistanis.
The perpetrators of these pogroms are all Hindus.
So what is the basis of your conclusion that all terrorists are Muslims ? In India, the evidence indicates the majority of terrorists are in fact Hindu.
Whatever the case, it it is clear you think Hindus are inadequate.
By making such statements, you Hindus display your mental weakness. You are jokers who invite contempt.
When the BJP government was in power, they sent Jaswant Singh to Kandahar to release the militants.
The Hindus are only good at fighting within India against minorities, when they are 9 and the other is 1; that too, with police support.
If you feel so strongly about it, can you tell me whether Hindus have the capability of crossing the LoC and taking on the LeT ?
Why are you sure that the attack was done by Pakistanis ?
In 2006, the Indian government, our security forces and the media said the bomb blasts in Malegaon, Hyderabad and Samjotha Express were done by Pakistanis, although the targets were Muslims.
The Indian security forces even gave the names of the Pakistani terrorists.
In 2008, we learn Hindu groups are the actual culprits for Maleagon. So the Hindus killed our Muslim citizens in India, and defamed Pakistan.
If I was a Pakistani, I would therefore tell the Indian government to go to hell, and ask them to search our Hindu patriotic groups like the RSS first. The Indian government is half hearted as it knows the Sangh is involved in Bombay.
Thank you AK Singh for your presentation of the Hindu character.
After reading Hindus like you, I agree that there is something wrong with the Hindu mind.
You demolished the Babari masjid, so you got the serial bomb blasts in Bombay.
For Gujarat riots, Hindus got shot in Akshardharm.
So why do you cry to the rest of the world about India being a victim of terrorism, when the Hindus indulge in it and defend it afterwards ?
In 2006, Indian media said conclusively that Pakistanis were behind the blasts in Malegaon, Hyderabad and the Samjotha Express. Even their names were disclosed. Then India did not demand action from Pakistan.
In 2008, we read that a Hindu sadhvi and purohit are the chief suspects in Malegaon and other blasts. So how do you know that Hindutva forces did not have a hand in Bombay ? After all, they were after Karkare.
Prathiba with you to spread PEACE
Dear AK Singh
Thanks for your readiness to spread PEACE among the people. We can attain peace by submitting ourselves to our Creator, the God. And we believe that ALL are HIS creations. That means we are the creations of ONE. We are related. Human beings, Animals, Plants, Earth, Sky, Oceans, Insects....all are HIS creations. We are ONE. Such belief creates LOVE. I hope you feel PEACE now, and may God guide you to the stright path.
Who deny the historical truth about marriages of Prophet Muhammed?Prophet Muhammed’s life is studied widely. Even his tiny movements has recorded. Nothing to hide. His life is a torch light to us. We can move in that light, without any trouble.
How can his private, personal life can recorded? How can his sexual life be recorded? The only way is that we have to get it from his wives. From more wives, we will get different views on his personal life. Ayesha is one of the greatest narrators of Hadhees – the sayings and actions of Prophet Muhammed. If Ayesha was not there, the women folk of today will not get 'enough knowledge’ they needs.
It is the mercy of God to the manhood who instruct Muhammed to marry Ayesha. Ayesha never complained against Prophet Muhammed, but she considered the wifehood of Prophet Muhammed is one of the most exalted positions.
Your next querry was about “Surah 4/117 -An Nisa- The Pagans call upon female deities. They call upon Satan.” A Muslim associates nothing to God. HE is ONE.
Quran says(4:116) Truly it is only associating others with Allah in His divinity that Allah does not forgive, and forgives anything besides that to whomsoever He wills. Whoever associates others with Allah in His divinity has indeed strayed far away. In this and the following verses, we are asked to consider coolly, the end result of obsession with rage and anger, and what kind of people one chooses to identify with in place of the righteous people from whom one foolishly dissociates oneself.
(4:117) Rather than call upon Him, they call upon goddesses, and call upon a rebellious Satan.
We have no need to call millions of deities because they are useless and helpless. God is one and only Mr. Singh. Are you a Hindu? "Ekam evadvitiyam" "He is One only without a second." (Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1)
No Goddess or Gods or semi-Gods. Only ONE GOD. Those who thinks, those who understand will vote for one GOD. Am I right Mr. Singh?
Dear Prathiba- convince me please- AK Singh
Dear Prathiba,
I am not asking questions to spite anyone. It is just for convincing myself that what you claim- that ISLAM is the most PEACEFUL religion!!! So my doubt persist- what would have happened if KHADIJA had out-lived MUHAMMAD- that is- "had Muhammad died before the death of KHADIJA"???? Wouldn't MUHAMMAD through QUR'AN have said that "monogamy" is the most virtuous quality for MUSLIMS???
“Surah 4/117 -An Nisa- The Pagans call upon female deities. They call upon Satan.” A Muslim associates nothing to God. HE is ONE.
Prathiba, I agree, but how are you so sure GOD IS MALE??? Wouldn't the world have perished if FEMALEs did not exist. SO WHY CAN NOT THE GOD BE A "SHE" AND NOT A "HE"and still remain ONE????
"Ayesha never complained against Prophet Muhammed, but she considered the wifehood of Prophet Muhammed is one of the most exalted positions".
Prathiba, you must be joking. How can a "SIX YEAR OLD CHILD" complain about marriage to a 50 year old man??? (Didn't Ayesha take her DOLLS with her to Muhammads house???) Would she know what marriage means??? Could a "nine year old Ayesha" resist a 53 year old MUHAMMAD from consummating his marriage"???? Surely you must be having children??? So think of your child being married at six years and "copulated" at nine years???? OH ALLAH- is this what Hadees is???
Prathiba, AYESHA DID THE TASK ENTRUSTED TO HER by her father!!!!!. SHE ENSURED THAT HER FATHER- ABU BAKER- WAS THE CALIPH AFTER DEATH OF MUHAMMAD. WHEN FATIMA- THE DAUGHTER OF MUHAMMAD AND ALI- THE NEPHEW AND SON-IN-LAW OF MUHAMMAD- WERE WEEPING OVER THE DEAD BODY OF MUHAMMAD, "AYESHA- THE WIDOW OF MUHAMMAD"- WAS CONSPIRING WITH HER FATHER TO "MAKE HIM THE CALIPH". Prathiba, isn't it true that, it is the statement of Ayesha which turned the Muslims in favour of Abu Baker at the congregation to elect the NEW CALIPH, in preference to ALI- the rightful inheritor of MUHAMMAD???
So Prathiba, a religion born out of deceit can never be peaceful- see what is happening in Pakistan, the first country established on religious lines for MUSLIMS!!! So convert to Hinduism.
AK Singh See Khajurao to see Hindu depravity-man with horse
See Khajurao to see Hindu depravity - man fornicating even with horse !
As pointed out, Hindus like you show that you are weak when prodded a little.The RSS complains about Hindu weakness, you are the proof !
Explain why Islam is growing and Hinduism is fading.
Why does RSS fear India will become a non-Hindu country ?
Why did Kerala poetess Kamala Das convert ?
Why did BBC correspondent Yvonne Ridley convert after being held by Taliban ?
Why does the new Pope Benedict plead with Christians to save Christianity by returning to the church ?
Why do you not see Muslims converting ?
The right conclusion is the information in your anti-Islamic sites does not square with the reality. It is set up by people who fear Islam out of ignorance.
Let us look at Hinduism.
Go and see Khaujrao yourself - scenes of orgies, homosexuality, bestality (man and horse). This is a temple, a place of worship. My friend cited a scene in the Ramayana involving people fornicating with horses. Hindus worship lingams - do you see such depravity anywhere ?
The RSS says India will be a non-Hindu country by 2062.
It will spell the end of Brahmins and the caste system.
It will be better for India.
Can you say which Muslim country will become non-Muslim by 2062 ?
You will not find the answer in your website.
You will have to apply your mind.
Foolishness is another name of AK Singh
Dear AK Singh
This will be final answer to you, because you do not wish to find out the truth. Is God male? Not female? It is your question.
When we are talking about India, we say 'she'. Is India a female?
100% foolishness seems in your question. HE doesn't mean male, when it points to GOD. HE is one means GOD is one. Usually we are not using 'she'. That is the limitation of languages and not the 'gender' of GOD.
I never thought you are such a fool, who doesn't have primary education. I request you to read more and more. Quran revelation started by a command: READ.... Only Quran said it in starting...Read. If you read something you will not rise such foolish questions.
Ayesha never complained, even after marriage. Never means until her death. At the same time, she was very proud. She is in exalted position, Mr. Singh. You do not know the Greatness of Prophet Muhammed. But hightly educated non-Muslims agreed that Prophet Muhammed is the GREATEST Man ever lived in this world.
Your another question is that if (?) Mohammed died before the death of Kadeeja....
You are the real Ass, Mr. Singh. One it is already happened. Then there is no 'if', etc. Second Quran is from God to Prophet Muhammed for the mankind. The answer is there if you have little wisdom, remains.
All other matters are in history. You have to read it. Do not vomit blunders. It will make you 'persona non grata'. So I stop. Ibaad u-Rahman will not speak to 'jahils' (arrogant, foolish ignorants), but say salaam (PEACE).
When you become mature, you will accept truth. If you died immature, you will die like a street dog. You can choose your way. No compulsion in religion. You have the right to choose. Thanks and Regards - Prathiba
Adiue Prathiba- from AK Singh
Prathiba, Your response was in conformity with the response from Muslims when confronted with logic. The Typical sequence of Muslim answers when asked uncomfortable questions about Islam is as under:-
1.Point a finger at someone else
2.Deny and Blame
3.Blame the Jews,Americans,or Hindus
4.Tell absurd stories from Qur’an and Hadith that the MUSLIMS have been brainwashed with from childhood.
5. Then when backed into a corner…starts throwing childish insults/ abuse.
The above sequence has been precisely followed by you till you started "abusing me" by calling "foolish" "ass" etc, when asked a few logical questions about GOD as mentioned in Qur'an (why can't it be female) and the marriage of a 9 year old child Ayesha, to muhammad. Isn't it a fact that it was the statement of Ayesha which convinced the congregation which was convened to elect the NEW CALIPH, that Muhammad had not nominated ALI as his successor???? Wasn't Ayesha, a 9 year old child given in marriage to a 50 year old Muhammad by her father ABU BAKER precisely to intercede on his behalf at the appropriate time??? Had Ayesha not spoken at the congregation isn't it true that ALI would have been elected the next CALIPH after MUHAMMAD????
People who adorn their temples with fornication AK Singh
People who adorn their temples with fornication are talking about marriage age !!!
People who worship the lingam and have porn in their temples are talking about marriage age !!
You are obviously trying to sidetrack from the subject – Advani and Hindutva ideology, and what it has done to India. I have exposed you as a Hindu fascist posing as a liberal.
Before ankur Pandey used to look up to you to save the Hindus because he could not write decently and he thought you could. Now, you cite "faithfreedom" because you cannot refute my charge that Hindutva is Hindu fascism. I take satisfaction that I have reduced you into another gutter Hindu !!
However, I can say the Quran gives no direct indication of age of marriage. Concerning what is practised, this is partly through tradition. In those days, the average life expectancy was less than 40. Hence, it was not abnormal to have marriage at the age just above puberty. If that age was say 15, that is at about 30% of the life span. The same was the situation amongst Hindus in India say upto 50 years ago – Gandhi had child marriage at age of 12. You are not going to wait till 25 to get married if you are likely to die at 30.
Today, the life expectancy of all communities is about 60. Hence, the normal marriage age has also gone up to 20-25. People want to send their children to school and college – that gets them into the 20s. That is also about 30% of the life span. In most Muslim countries also, marriage in the 20s is the norm among the educated – not marriage at or below 15.
In some Arab countries, they have in fact now a reverse problem – a lot of unmarried women even past 40. The reason is in the Islamic system, the mehr (like dowry) has to be given by the female side to the man.
In rich countries like Saudi Arabia, the dowry demands of the girls has become so high that many men are not able to afford them – so they go to Egypt and other Muslim countries where the dowry demanded by the girls is lower. Even in the cases where marriage below 15 is sanctioned, it is still not an illicit relationship - unlike in the west where 15 year olds have affairs. The latter culture is being adopted by the Hindus. You do not see anything wrong in a culture of unmarried teenage pregnacies and the like in the west, which the Hindus also want to adopt.
Paedophilia is a problem is western countries as the Jackson case shows. Also, westerners visit countries like Sri Lanka, India and Thailand for child s*x – they do not go to Muslim countries. Westerners are the traffickers of child porn. This is paedophilia – it is outside marriage, it is commercial and there is no responsibility. All this charge about paedophilia by Muslims is made up by westerners who are angry because they got attacked on Sept 11. They are looking to project the things they indulge in onto others.
Permissivity and laxness is present in the west. It is also creeping into the Hindus as Hindus try to ape them. Hindus are a people who do not know what they believe, so they are very susceptible to follow the west. Hindu women parade their bodies in beauty pageants and the like, and they are getting into porn. The Hindus follow Valentine Day and all such customs - Muslims do not. You will see western culture will undermine the Hindus - but not the Muslims. A recent WHO report on AIDS in India said it is more common in the Hindus than the Muslims – the VHP shouted !!
In any case, the Hindus have a history of immorality with their s*x temples and erotic literature. They even worship the lingam !! We also have devdasis – temple harlots for Brahmins. You saw what the Kanchi Shankara was up to – you would not see Imam Bukhari get into that !! If he did, the Muslims will throw him out. It is possible he may have two wives (I do not know), but he would carry the responsibilities of marriage.
It is not that I am avoiding your topics. It is just your topics are irrelevant. I have brought out that you are a squirming Hindu fascist – the Muh main Ram aur bagla main churi type !! I have shorn away your pretences to being a civilized Hindu. Now, that you cannot defend Hindutva and Advani, you have come to gopalas level and methods. That is the sign of defeat.
I do not want to slag of Hindu women, so I try to avoid such subjects. But for Hindus, this s*x is obviously on their mind. I once launched a tirade against the immorality in the Ramayana. He mentioned about s*x with horses. In fact, if you go to Khajurao, you see temples showing men fornicating with horses - only Hindu places of worship can depict this. I try not to bring up this topic, but if you want, I can rag the Hindus on this – then you will regret, you opened the subject !!
I shall continue my assault on Hindutva. You aint seen nothin yet !!
If you can shed insight on Advani and Hindutva, write, otherwise zip it man !!
AK Singh bids farewel to Prathiba too!!!!
Your answer is typical Muslim response when confronted with logic!!!
Typical sequence of Muslim answers when questioned about logic of Islam goes an under:
1.Point a finger at someone else
2.Deny and Blame
3.Blame the Jews,Americans,or Hindus
4.Tell absurd stories from Qur’an and Hadith that they were brainwashed with
5. Then when backed into a corner…starts throwing childish insults
Quda Hafis
Well said,Pratibha.Thank
Well said,Pratibha.Thank you.
A bit of this and a bit of that
:) You should get the Oscar for best collection of trimmed verses..Good luck..
Responsibility of AK Singh as a Hindutva Hindu
AK Singh, you can start with a campaign to remove the 33 crore Hindu gods first. This is India's primary problem. You can leave the one final God till the end.
The Christian nations have advanced, that is why all the Hindus like you have left India, and sought their citizenship. Whereas Hindus are still mired in caste and idolatry.
Christians brought education to you, whereas Hindus have always tried to suppress this.
Hindus are worshipping the cow, and killing people over a cow and preventing Dalits from drawing water from a well.
Is it not better that the Hindus left paganism and converted, and joined the mainstream of the world, instead of being the last junglees ?
AK Singh, Many christians/Sikhs has noted the confusion in your mind.
You tell us you are an indian, a rationalist, a true Hindu, a neo- humanist, at the same time you spout Hindutva fascism land Brahmanism like the worst Hindu in India, and say you cannot part with your Hindu culture !!
One side tells you that Brahmanism is evil, yet you are unable to renounce it.
To release you from the contradicitions in your soul, I suggested conversion.
You are trapped by your Brahmin upbringing. You need to escape from your Hindu background.
AK Singh, there is a desperation in your writing. This affliction arises in inferior Hindutva minds when debating with me.
My letter is perfectly worded, and it is logical.
I have punctured your ego many times in TCN and you do not have the intellectual substance to match me.
What is the way out of your misery ?
Many muslims/dalits/christians recommended apologizing.
As I think your disturbed soul is a product of Hinduism, I recommend conversion.
The Mahabharata also has a period of blood thirsty war. Krishna urges the war weary Arjun to fight on, regardless of his relatives, as that is his duty.
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Anti Chaddhiwala
he Mahabharata also has a period of blood thirsty war. Krishna urges the war weary Arjun to fight on, regardless of his relatives, as that is his duty.
But Hindus do not adhere to it unlike Muslims who insist on adhering to every word in Qur'an. I can also give an advice for you too. Convert to Hinduism. You are praying to Allah because of Hindu God. I can prove it. Here is how it is:-
BHAGAVAD GITA, which is much older than Qur'an and Bible and - Sloka 21, of chapter 7 of Gita ( Knowledge of the Absolute) states:-
" I am in everyone's heart as the "Supersoul".
As soon as one desire to worship some demigod, I make his faith steady
so that he can devote himself to that particular deity."
- The above sloka clearly state the "oneness" of God- the Supersoul, which you "started calling Allah between 610AD to 632 AD when Muhammad told you so.
- It is the Hindu GOD which has "made the faith steady" of Muslims who "desire to worship some demigod" called Allah, since Hinduism is much older than all other religions. Islam is new religions and even Mohammad were guided by the "GOD OF THE OLDEST RELIGION"- Hindu God.
- So when Muslims persist in their belief of their "DEMIGOD- ALLAH" they are just adhering to the diktat of the oldest, eternal HINDU God.
So convert to Hinduism and feel the difference. "Qur'an says that there is no compulsion in religion." But you have to COMPULSORILY pray five time a day, COMPULSORILY facing Macca, COMPULSORILY do it in a prescribed way (Ass up) COMPULSORILY accept Allah as the only god, COMPULSORILY keep fast during Ramzan- COMPULSION COMPULSION COMPULSION for Muslims from birth to death. So convert to Hinduism. The moment any Muslim accepts the right of others to pray to GOD of their choice- MUSLIM HIMSELF NEED NOT WORSHIP ANY OTHER GOD OTHER THAN ALLAH- they become a HINDU. Try it and feel the difference. All the hatred and violence will drain out of you and you will become a different man.
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