Babri dispute: Mutual trust is the best way out
By Dr Mookhi Amir Ali,
Today’s newspapers have reported extensively on VHP’s Ashok Singhal’s recipe for Hindu-Muslim unity. The VHP leader has reportedly claimed that “VHP wants a permanent bond of love between Hindus and Muslims.” He suggests that the bugbears in the path of communal harmony are Ayodhya’s Ram Janmabhoomi, Mathura’s Krishna Janmabhoomi and the Kashi Vishwanath disputes. “Only withdrawals of claims by Muslims on these three places and handing them over to Hindus by law of parliament can ensure strength for real Hindu-Muslim unity.” One would ask, if it is so simple why aren’t Muslims over decades giving a serious thought to it?
It is not so simple. Ask any Muslim leader or activist why Muslims cannot consider giving away Babri Masjid instead of letting it be a cause for so much strife. The answer will be: it is not one Masjid they want. They have a list of 3000 structures, which they will raise once Muslims surrender Babri. “Not 3000, Sir. 30000,” another will add. Also it is the feeling among Muslims across the board that RSS and parivar are inimical to Muslims. The statements like the one Ashok Singhal made, if they come more frequently, may go a long way in building bridges between the communities. The Sangh parivar should convince by words and deeds that their hostility towards Muslims is imaginary and only a propaganda by the political parties.
I happened to meet VHP’s Ashok Chowghule. I asked him about the concerns of Muslims about VHP asking for 3000 to 30000 places of worship from them if they surrender Babri Masjid. Since this conversation took place in late 2002 or early 2003, I do not recollect the exact words but I am sure what Ashok Chowghule conveyed was that it is not true that the VHP wants anything more than these three places, and that if Muslims can consider lifting their claim on these three places they can talk with us and we will clear their doubts and allay their apprehensions. Now, does this not show a big communication gap or a misplaced mistrust?

Another display of mistrust between the two communities was visible today. In a talk show in a news channel on the subject of Babri Masjid Syed Shahabuddin stated that Muslims will abide by the court verdict and will withdraw if the judiciary gives a decision that a temple existed at the Babri site. When the programme anchor repeatedly asked one panelist from the Hindu group if Hindus give a similar commitment to abide by the judiciary’s decision, the answer was a question pointing towards Syed Shahabuddin “Can you trust him?”
Muslims are not sure that thousands of cases will not crop up if they negotiate in one case. Their sense of insecurity is all too visible. They are pinning their hopes on court verdict. Foolishly, one should say, when the BJP, VHP and others give no indication of intention to abide by the judiciary’s decision. The BJP’s vision document 2004 states, “In the matter of Ayodhya we are for a negotiated settlement in an atmosphere of mutual trust.” A very political way to suggest that the court verdict is not the end but the fresh beginning of Babri dispute. Muslim leaders are determined not to have any talks with Hindu groups until the court decision. Apparently they think they will talk from the position of strength then. Why does a brother want to talk with the brother from the position of strength? Not to agree for talks before court verdict, is fraught with risk of managment of Babri dispute going more into what Liberhan has called the “rabid elements” of Muslim leadership. Muslims must agree to enter into dialogue at an early date. And If the BJP and others have made up their minds that “the negotiated settlement in an atmosphere of mutual trust” is the best way, they should be pro-active in their efforts in creating that “atmosphere of mutual trust”.
Apparently UPA does not seem to be seeing any role for the Central government in resolving this epic wrangle. Indian National Congress by playing its dubious role or non-role in the dispute at different times has not done itself any credit. BJP’s Rajnath Singh’s plea to the UPA government to facilitate negotiations between the two communities made by him not too long ago has fallen on deaf ears. It is not for nothing that the Congress is said to be having a stake in a low intensity hostility between Hindus and Muslims. The party has hardly ever encouraged Muslims to have a fruitful dialogue with Hindu groups. Sonia Gandhi should correct the situation. The party’s active participation in resolution of Babri dispute will help in dispelling the impression that it has always exploited communal tension.
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First Punishment later settlement.
First Punished the culprits of Babri Mosque Demolition than later talk about settlement outside or inside the court.
No question of negotiations with local Zionists
There whould not be any call for negotiation with the Zionists siblings here. Their impotence make them ready wingmen of the Jewish Zionists. Similar tactics are being employed here as well. One need to remember that India is not occupied by these cowards neither they are a miniscle group like the Jews are. There is no leadership of Hindus and there will rise many criminals groups to claim that they are not a party to the settlement. The fact that no Hindus of any stripes, secular or otherwise, has not refused to visit the unholy place called temple on the rubbles of the Masjid. Criminals like Revy Shenker Persed, who eats out of practice of law at the Supreme Court is not even ready to call the place Babri site but disputed structure, what you expect out of these follower of the Satan. They only understand the language of force and lets not be coward not to spend some blood for things you stand for.
Had Hindus been law abiding, the claim of majority of Hindus being secular and liberal should have been demonstated which has never come to fore. If one says that to Hindus, the rubble of the Masjid is as important as the Ka'ba for Muslims, then, the questions vanishes. This contention shows that to Hindus, there existed their Ka'ba. But then who Muslims are called to negotiate with?
The Fair Settelment!
Where the question arises for mutual trust or settlement? The Masjid has been demolished by BJP/SS/VHP goons and the titled of the land is in favour of Muslim Trust.
The 'Debris' of Ram-Lulla, immediately must removed and the land be handed over to Muslim Trust for rebuilding the Mosque.
BOOTWALA- do you realistically expect that to happen????
BOOTWALA- If you realistically expect that the demolished Mosque at AYODYA will ever be re-constructed, you are the biggest fool. It took 45 years for the Mosque to be demolished (1947-92)and it may take another 45 years for the MANDIR to be constructed (by 2037) but a mosque- "never ever".
It is not the first time that a MOSQUE converted from another "religious place" ceased to exist. In 1453, Constantinople was conquered by the OTTOMAN TURKS and Sultan Mehmed II ordered HAGIA SOPHIA, Orthodox patriarchal basilica CHURCH, to be converted into a mosque. It remained as a mosque until 1935,(much longer than AYODYA as it was converted only after 1526)when it was converted into a museum by the Republic of Turkey.
So when TURKEY in which the MUSLIM CALIPHA ruled can convert a CHURCH to MOSQUE and then to a MUSEUM why can NOT Indian muslims accept a RAM MANDIR at AYODYA. After all HINDUS gave a separate country in 1947 to Indian Muslims who did NOT want to live with HINDUS.
Fool's paradise
@ ANON - come out of your self-denial - "After all HINDUS gave a separate country in 1947 to Indian Muslims who did NOT want to live with HINDUS." Having majority religion does not guarantee ownership of any piece of land.
Fact is, British were the rulers of this country and they divided it into two parts - a moth-eaten Pakistan and a secular India - secular as claimed by the founding fathers of the modern nation - hence all this talk of Hindu rashtra is nothing but trash. Even before British, Muslims had ruled mainland India since at least 1100 AD- so the question of Hindu ownership does not arise at all.. This is a fallacy propagated by your Sanghi masters - unfortunately many Muslims have also subscribed to the same kind of thoughts. From temples in government offices to puja at project inaugrations, all in the name of Sanskritized heritage is being followed in the same vein to efface any Muslim heritage - if this is not hypocrisy what else?
Straight talk has never been a feature of Baniya mentality (the core constituency of BJP) - hence the Masjid that was demolished in broad daylight by the criminal gang of hoodlums posing as religious devotees, is now talked of as a 'disputed structure'. Muslims are unwilling to accept these subterfuges any longer, regardless of any court verdict or archaeological excavations. What is there in any case for the court to comment on - all videos and evidences are already available- this is another attempt to sidestep the due course of law and justice.
Reply- Fool's paradise- Shaheen
British ruled a lot of other Muslim lands. Does it mean that they still have right on these lands. Muslims did rule India by force from 1100 AD for a period of 600 years, but was later colonised by the British. As by your logic since Muslims ruled India, India did not belong to Hindus, then British ruled India after the Muslims and by the same logic, India does not belong to Muslims either. Lets hand over India back to the British! How foolish could your logic be? Also, Hindus ruled a lot of lands right from Afghanistan to present day Uzbekistan, Khyrgystan and Tajikistan. So Hindus are original rulers of all these lands.And if forceful occupation of someones land makes them the rightful owners,Israel rightfully belongs to the Jews. Hinduism was in existence even before the birth of Islam. Muslim Invaders destroyed thousands of Temples and slaughtered millions of Hindus. You are unable to see anything beyond your religion and expect everyone to subscribe to the whims of your religion.
Paradise is for the wise
Dear Anon,
I had tried to show you the fallacy of this land ownership issue but probably I overestimated your comprehension skills. Thanks to Allah, the Muslims have always risen above parochial interests and continue to have a global vision.
Your comments reflect both your ignorance and your worldview:
"Muslim Invaders destroyed thousands of Temples and slaughtered millions of Hindus. You are unable to see anything beyond your religion and expect everyone to subscribe to the whims of your religion."
SHAHEEN- Muslims came only in 1100AD
SHAHEEN- Muslims came only in 1100AD but India existed much before that. Please live in FOOLS PARADISE if you please. I only hope that you do not face the same predicament on the day of the judgment- realise that MUSLIMS have been fooled by the "illiterate Arab".
""secular India"" is by the Indian Constitution which has been amended 96 times from 1950 and NOT by divine decree as given by the "illiterate Arab". Even the preamble of the constitution was amended to include the word "SOCIALIST" and "Emergency clause of constitution amended and re-amended". So anything can change in the constitution if the "people of India so willed".
'FOOLS HELL' for Anonymous!
Anonymous, you are timid person, hiding your offensive identity. You are the master of 'FOULEST', calling Arabs as illiterate. They were the most civilize society,
Most of the time you are using word PARADISE, but remember that this beautiful place is not meant for you. You remain in 'fools hell' with your anti Arabs friends for ever.
BOOTWALA -it is better to be in HINDU HELL than Muslim heaven
BOOTWALA -Our paths do NOT cross as your "day of judgment" hasn't happened in the last 1400 years or even 5500 years if ADAM & EVE is considered while Hindu is judged with in a few days of his death to be sent either to hell or heaven. It is better to be in HINDU HELL than be Muslim and wait till 14Lakh years in the grave- 6feet under the earth for day of judgment.
If this is true...
then prophet Mohammed and other islamic saints haven't reached heaven? I don't think this view is correct.
In hinduism, we have what is called Mahapralaya (complete dissolution) when all the souls which originated from Almighty, have to return to their Origin. The day of Judgement may mean that, but again there is no judgement as all souls how bad or good, have to return to God's abode.
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