Questioning the “vision” behind Zakir Naik’s “Peace”
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By A. Faizur Rahman for TwoCircles.net
Chennai witnessed a rare show of Shia-Sunni unity when the Chief Qazis of both these communities lodged a joint complaint with the authorities against Dr. Zakir Naik’s Peace Exhibition and had it shifted from Chennai to the outskirts of the city. The Qazis had actually wanted a total ban on the exhibition but the organisers managed to get permission, apparently after accepting to abide by the strict conditions imposed by the law enforcing agencies. The case of the Sunni Qazi was that Zakir Naik showed disrespect to Prophet Muhammad while the Shia Qazi objected to Naik’s eulogizing of Yazeed, who, according to the Shias, was responsible for the assassination of Iman Hussian, the grandson of the Prophet.
To be fair to Zakir Naik, the “disrespect” he showed to the Prophet was unintentional and a genuine slip of the tongue for which he promptly apologised. But his remarks on Yazeed were certainly unwarranted given the uneasy peace that exists between the Shias and the Sunnis. Well-known Islamic author Maulana Waheeduddeen Khan commented in an interview to NDTV that Zakir Naik, not being a scholar of Islam, should not talk about the intricacies of Islamic theology. But unfortunately, the televangelist does not confine himself to his strong point, which is, his verbatim imitation of Ahmed Deedat in debating aggressive Christian missionaries. He seems to be oblivious of the damage he may be causing to the Muslim community which may end up paying the price for his needlessly polemical attacks on other religions groups.
Naik must also take cognizance of the fact that the moderate majority of the Muslim community is upset with him for promoting Salafism in the name of Islam. The recent debate pertaining to his “Peace” conference on Twocircles.net was reflective of this perception wherein many Muslim writers condemned the streaks of “extremism” and “Salafism” inherent in the “vision” that is propagated through the Peace Convention. A dispassionate analysis of the ideology of those behind the concept of this exhibition certainly gives the impression that the accusations against this event are not without basis.
For instance, according to its organisers the “Peace Exhibition” derives its theological legitimacy from the official patronage of a diehard Salafi ideologue, the late Ibn Jibreen. The official “Peace” website (http://www.peacevisionofislam.org/) proudly proclaims: “Peace exhibition concept has been endorsed by Shaykh Abdullah Ibn Abdur-Rahman al-Jibreen, a member of the General Presidency of Islaamic Research, Iftaa, Call and Propagation, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.” A scanned copy of Ibn Jibreen’s handwritten certificate is displayed prominently on this website as if to over-awe the Muslim masses into visiting the exhibition.
It would be interesting to know from the “Peace” group their justification for seeking and trumpeting the endorsement of a cleric who is well-known for his extreme views. Surely, they cannot feign ignorance of the ideology of this “Noble Sheikh” who once praised Osama bin Laden saying, “Osama was mujahid in the path of Allah before. And he had major efforts in the land of Afghanistan. May Allah give him success and make him victorious and make victory happen by him. Until now he is still participating in Jihad.” (See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5TvlNECROM)
Presented below is a comparative analysis of Prophetic statements and some of Ibn Jibreen's radical pronouncements extracted from the book Fatawa Islamiyah collected by Muhammad bin Abdul Aziz Al-Musnad.
This book, published by Darussalam, contains fatwas by five authorities namely,
1. Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah bin Baz
2. Muhammad bin Salih Al-Uthaimeen
3. Abdullah bin Abdur Rahman Al-Jibreen
4. Permanent committee for legal rulings (Saudi Arabia)
5. Fiqh Council of Saudi Arabia
Husband not obliged to pay for wife’s treatment:
In one of his fatwas Ibn Jibreen says, “ It is not an obligation upon the husband to pay the cost of his wife’s treatment, nor the cost of the medicines, nor the doctor’s fee, because this not part of her normal essential needs; rather it is something temporary, so it is not required of him.” But if he pays “it would be an act of generosity, virtue, and righteousness.” (Volume 5, p.184)
Compare this to the kindness of our beloved Prophet who said: ‘The most perfect of the believers in matters of conviction (eeman) is he who is best in conduct (khulq), and the best of you are those who are best to their wives” (Tirmizi). In another saying the Prophet said, ‘The best dinar a man spends is the dinar he spends for his family” (Muslim).
It is the belief of Muslims that those who differ with the Prophet’s understanding of Islam (particularly when it is made known through an authentic report) commit kufr, the most blasphemous of all crimes in the eyes of Allah.
Associating with non-Muslims:
Prophet’s greatest qualities included his humanitarianism and mastery of interpersonal skills which has been praised by the Quran in following words: “It is part of the mercy of Allah that you (O Prophet) deal gently with them (the people around you). Had you been severe or harsh-hearted they would have broken away from you.” (3:159).
It was this concern for peaceful coexistence with all human beings that made the Prophet repeatedly underscore the importance of neighbourliness and the value of preserving friendship. He said:
“Make good neighborly connections with one who is your neighbor, for you will then be a (true) Muslim, and keep good company with one who keeps company with you, for you will then be a (true) believer.” (Tirmizi, Ibn Majah).
In fact, such has been the emphasis placed by Islam on the rights of a neighbour, the Prophet once feared (in a report that is found in both Bukhari and Muslim) that neighbours would be granted inheritance rights in the properties of Muslims along with their legal heirs. No wonder the Prophet instructed the Muslims saying, “When you cook broth, increase its water and give some of it to your neighbour” (Muslim). It may be noted here that in none of the aforementioned reports the Prophet differentiates between a Muslim and a non-Muslim neighbour. In other words, a neighbour is a neighbour and, insofar as a Muslim is concerned, he/she enjoys all the rights conferred on him/her by Islam irrespective of his/her religion, caste, colour or social status.
The Quran goes a step further and says, “Repel evil with goodness; then will he between whom and you was hatred become as it were your friend and intimate” (41:34).
But the endorser of Zakir Naik’s “Peace” seems to differ with the universalism of the Quran and Prophet. Reproduced below is another fatwa by Ibn Jibreen in the form of a reply to a question about associating with non-Muslims.
“Q: I am living in Jordan in a house populated mostly by Christian brothers, and we eat and drink together. Is my prayer invalid, and is my living with them permissible?
(Ibn Jibreen): “Before answering your question I would like to make a point: I hope that it was a slip of the tongue when you said “I live with Christian brothers,” for there is absolutely no brotherhood between the Muslims and Christians…..So it is not permissible for the Muslims to describe the disbeliever- whatever his brand of disbelief, be he Christian, Jewish, Magian, or apostate- as a brother; so beware my brother of using such expressions.” “ ..It is necessary to avoid mixing with non-Muslims, because mixing with them causes the loss of one’s religious zeal from the heart and may even lead to affection and love for them.” (Volume 1, pp 263-265)
Astonishingly, these sentiments seem to have found a seat deep in the heart of R.K. Noor, the Correspondent of the International Islamic School run by Zakir Naik at Nungambakkam in Chennai. In an interview given to Twocircles.net (http://twocircles.net/2010jan19/zakir_naik_s_team_responds_controversies...) R.K.Noor categorically states: “But on this issue, I am very firm and I do teach myself in my classes that Muslims should not greet the people of non Muslims faiths in their festivals such as Christmas, Pongal, and Diwali etc. How can a Muslim greet “Happy Christmas” which will be a direct connotation or a determined reference more similar to “praying expression” to Jesus Christ to whom we don’t believe?” So will be Pongal and Diwali.”
The Ibn Jibreen mind-set is clearly evident here, and this is no “slip of the tongue.” And it has serious implications for the future of Muslims in a multi-cultural and multi-religious society like India. To paraphrase Voltaire: to be a good Muslim should one become the enemy of the rest of mankind? Well, if one were to go by Zakir Naik's philosophy (as voiced in the video below) a Muslim would be left with no other option but to look down upon all non-Muslims, maybe even hate them for not being Muslims.
Answering a non-Muslim in the Guftagu programme on QTV as to why Muslim countries do not allow people of other religions to propagate their faith, Zakir Naik said that Islam being the only true religion, and all other religions being totally false, the question of allowing either Christians or Hindus to build Churches or Temples to propagate their religion in a Muslim country does not arise. But on the other hand, he said, the Muslims, as a matter of right, were entitled to propagate their faith in non-Muslim countries because "we are trying to get them to the right path of Islam." This prompted narrator in this YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YAWq89kYHw) to ask whether the mentality of Zakir Naik was any different from that of the Taliban. Some may even be tempted to equate it with the communalism of the RSS or the Bajrang Dal. It is indeed shocking that for a person who sermonizes on “peace” Zakir Naik seems to have ignored the fact that although as a devout Muslim he may believe Islam to be the only true religion it does not give him the right to publicly demean other faiths. Nothing can be more unIslamic and arrogantly judgmental.
Muslims who do not pray are apostates and should be killed:
Another example of religious fanaticism can be found in the following fatwa issued by the Saudi cleric, the late Uthaimeen, who enjoyed status on a par with Ibn Jibreen. When asked about a person who does not perform salah, that is, namaaz, Uthaimeen ruled that such a person “is a disbeliever and he is outside the pale of Islam. He must be called upon to repent; if he turns to Allah in repentance and prays, then Allah will turn to him in forgiveness…but if he does not repent, he must be killed as an apostate and buried outside the graveyards of the Muslims without being washed or shrouded, and without prayers being said over him” (Fatawa Arkanul Islam, pp 389-390).
Books such as the Fatawa Islamiyah and Fatawa Arkanul Islam are freely sold at the Peace Exhibition and other salafi bookstalls across India. Although it may be claimed that the exhibition itself does not propagate this narrow-minded interpretation of Islam, the easy availability of these books to the unsuspecting lay visitors may lead to their adopting an intolerant attitude towards others. And this certainly is not the “vision of Islam” that is found in the Quran and the teachings of the Prophet. The truth is that the Salafi fatwa books which betray an intolerant Khawariji mind-set have no place in modern Muslim society. If our beloved Prophet were alive today he would have unequivocally condemned such provocative books. While freedom of expression is one of the basic doctrines of Islam, it cannot be invoked to misrepresent Islam and pollute gullible minds. The innocent people who throng to listen to Zakir Naik deserve an explanation from him and his promoters.
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The author is the Secretary General of the Chennai-based Forum for the Promotion of Moderate Thought in Islam. He may be reached at faizz@rocketmail.com
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peace
Religion is the opium of the people, so said Karl Marx. No, religion is certainly not the opium of the people. But the misunderstanding and misinterpretation of religion indeed makes it an opium for its followers. With the passage of time Muslims were divested of righteousness and slowly but surely Islam became the most misunderstood religion in the world.Since this is a spiritual ailment that has besmirched the beautiful face of Islam, the remedy must have to be a spiritual one. No physician can prescribe a cure for it.The Holy Quran and the Hadith has informed us of the remedy and that remedy is accepting and believing the Promised Mahdi and Masih.Yes, I am talking about Hazrath Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani the founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamathe, whose advent took place more than a century ago.While some believed in him others denounced him. Any sane and sensible person who studies his works will find him to be the chosen one of God.For a detailed study of Ahmadiyyat or the true Islam, please visit www.alislam.org or for queries quest@.tv
peace
Religion is the opium of the people, so said Karl Marx. No, religion is certainly not the opium of the people. But the misunderstanding and misinterpretation of religion indeed makes it an opium for its followers. With the passage of time Muslims were divested of righteousness and slowly but surely Islam became the most misunderstood religion in the world.Since this is a spiritual ailment that has besmirched the beautiful face of Islam, the remedy must have to be a spiritual one. No physician can prescribe a cure for it.The Holy Quran and the Hadith has informed us of the remedy and that remedy is accepting and believing the Promised Mahdi and Masih.Yes, I am talking about Hazrath Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani the founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamathe, whose advent took place more than a century ago.While some believed in him others denounced him. Any sane and sensible person who studies his works will find him to be the chosen one of God.For a detailed study of Ahmadiyyat or the true Islam, please visit www.alislam.org or for queries quest@.tv
Well known Controversial
Well known Controversial maulana Wahiduddin khan is the mentor of Faizurrehman.
list of some of controversies created by maulana wahiduddin khan.
1)Muslims should drop claim of BABRI MASJID.
2)Hijab has no validity in Islam.
3)Muslims are responsible for riots in india.
4)Misinterpretation of Quran to make it compatible with western values.
5)Claiming that Qital fi sabeelillah is not required anymore as religious persecution is non existent in the modern world and people are free to practice islam with full freedom.(Qadiyani agenda instigated by british to stop muslims fighting Jihad).
FaizurRehman through his
FaizurRehman through his series of articles since last year has completely exposed
himself as secular liberal writer.
following points are noteworthy.
1)He opposes muslims visiting Makkah for Umra.reason is it will strengthen
KSA economy
2)He mistranslated and twisted Quran to suit his (jews )agenda.
3)He is misquoting Quran abrogated verses to prove that authentic hadeeths and Quran have contradictions.
4)He is confusing Fidayeen islam with coward economical suicide fatwas.
5)Till now (more than a year on TCN)he has not written a single word against American and saffron terror against muslims.
what a coward!!
4)He is twisting Fatawas (legal opinion in the court of islamic state)with husbands obligations and husbands charity for medical expenses.
Faizur Rahman has attacked the US and RSS
But Faizur Rahman has written against the Americans on Two Circles. Please see this link
http://www.twocircles.net/2010jun13/why_america_loves_israel_and_hates_i...
He has also attacked the RSS recently on Two Circles. This is the link
http://www.twocircles.net/2011feb17/rss_vhp_friends_muslims_muslim_rasht...
Just read and compare.There
Just read and compare.There is nothing anti american in the
article.Article goes into explaining relationships between zionists and jews.
There is no words of condemnation for the attacks on
inocent muslims (millions)in Iraq afghanistan and pakistan.
please see the hatred towards pious god fearing true muslim scholars in this article,dont be a naive.
AN OPEN CHALLENGE TO ZAKIR NAIK
WHENEVER ZAKIR NAIK (ABOUT ZAKIR NAIK’S SPEECH ON THIS MATTER :: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtZxNqxpb8s) OR SALAFIS TALK ABOUT SUICIDE BOMBING THEY DELIBERATELY CONCEAL AND HIDE A GREAT HADITH FROM SAHIH AL BUKHARI WHICH PROVES THAT SUI...CIDE BOMBERS WILL BURN IN HELL. I LEARNED THIS HADITH 1999 I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THE TECHNIQUE OF SUICIDE BOMBING THEN BUT AFTER 9/11 I LEARNED IT. IT SURPRISED ME IS THAT NO ONE QUOTED THIS HADITH IN 2001 EVERYONE WAS GIVING EMOTIONAL SPEECHES. I AM QUOTING THAT HADITH BELOW::
Al-Bukhaaree reported in his Saheeh on the authority of Sahl Ibn Sa‘d As-Saa‘idee ra that: The Prophet saws looked at a man who was fighting the unbelievers and he was of the wealthy Muslims who are in the least in need of idolators. The Prophet saws said: ‘Who ever wishes to know a man among the dwellers of Hell-fire should look at this man.’ So, a man followed him. The man kept on fighting until he was injured. He could not wait to die of that wound so he took the tip of his sword, put it in between his breasts and press his body against it until it pierced through his shoulders. Then, the Prophet saws said: “A man may be doing what people might perceive as a deed of people of Paradise while he is indeed, among the dwellers of Hell. And he may be doing what will seem in people’s perception a deed of dwellers of Hell, while in actual sense; he is among the dwellers of Paradise. Verily, all deeds are judged according to its ending.”
WHENEVER ANYONE TRIES TO PROVE THAT SUICIDE BOMBING IS HALAL HE EQUIVOCATES THE UNINTENTIONAL DEATHS CAUSED BY ONE’S OWN HAND IN THE BATTLEFIELDS AND ONE’S DEATH WHICH IS CAUSED BY HIS/HER OWN HAND DELIBERATELY. “THE HIJACKED CARAVAN” IS WRITTEN BY IHSANIC INTELLIGENCE ---A LONDON BASED THINK TANK TO REFUTE ALL THESE IRRATIONAL LOGIC.
SUICIDE BOMBERS CLAIM THAT THEY ARE COMMITING MARTYRDOM OPERATION WHICH IS A BALANT LIE BECAUSE SUICIDE IS SOMETHING WHICH CAN BE COMMITTED AND MARTYRDOM IS SOMETHING WHICH CAN BE OBTAINED AND CANNOT BE PERFORMED BY ONE’S OWNELF. THEREFORE, SUICIDE BOMBERS ARE NOT MARTYRS RATHER HELL-DWELLERS.
IN ONE OF THE BOOKS WHICH GIVES IRRATIONAL LOGIC SUPPORTING SUICIDE BOMBING IT IS CLAIMED THAT ----SHAIK IBN UTHAYMEEN PRAISED THE SUICIDE BOMBERS WHICH IS A BALANT LIE. SHEIKH IBN UTHAYMEEN WAS COMPLETELY AGAINST SUICIDE BOMBING. PROOF:: WWW.FATWAT-ONLINE.COM ALSO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsvWqEyxqvQ
IT IS CLAIMED THAT SHEIK IBN JIBREEN SAID PERMISSIBILITY OF SUICIDE BOMBING DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION.
THE TEXT BELOW I COLLECTED FROM TAKFIRIS.COM WHICH PROVIDES HIS THE INFORMATION OF HIS DEVIATION::
Shaykh Ibn Jibreen: Usama Bin Ladin, His Associates and Supporters Make Takfir of the Muslims
In this article, we see corroboration from the Shaykh that Usamah bin Ladin and his people make takfir of the Muslims.
Read article here:
http://www.takfiris.com/takfir/?owscq
Shaykh Ibn Jibreen was a person of knowledge who in the early 1990s got involved, unfortunately, with personalities like Muhammad al-Misery and his organization called CDLR (an organization practically working to effect Leninist and Marxist type revolutions in Muslim lands). Through this interaction the Shaykh was led to hold erroneous opinions towards Innovators such as Hasan al-Banna and Sayyid Qutb. He proceeded to defend these individuals, not upon knowledge and baseerah or any kind of detailed research, but out of sentiments and out of the affectation he suffered from as a result of being involved with such unsavouries. Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (rahimahullaah) and other scholars blasted the CDLR in very powerful words and the scholars expressed their disappointment with the likes of Ibn Jibreen getting involved with these people. Unfortunately that connection harmed the Shaykh in that he became blinded to what these people were really upon, for he, in his methodology, was not upon what these takfiri revolutionaries were upon, even if he was deceived by them in his perception of the Innovators such as Qutb and Bannaa.
Some of the scholars like Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee refuted Ibn Jibreen and eventually declared him to be outside the fold of Ahl us-Sunnah for his continued and persistent defence of the Innovators whose falsehood he knew for certain and for sure, excusing them with the excuse of "ijtihaad" and the likes. This was after Ibn Jibreen persisted in his defence of the Sufi Hasafi Mufawidh and grave-frequenting Hasan al-Banna. And upon the principle of Ahl us-Sunnah, whoever allies and defends the Innovators is to be aligned with them.
Alongside all the above, there are numerous of his verdicts which decisively invalidate the da'wah of the Qutbiyyah Takfiriyyah Kharijiyyah and their allies in the East and West.
SULAYMAN-AL-ALWAN WAS A SUPPORTER OF SUICIDE BOMBING AND MANY OTHER FALSE CREED ONE PDF FILE IS PROVIDED WITH THIS MAIL THIS NAMING SalafiManhaj_ALAwaan.pdf REFUTING ALL THE FALSE CLAIMS MADE BY HIM.
TALIBANS CLAIM THAT AL-ALBANI SUPPORTED SUICIDE BOMBING---SEE WHAT IS THE TRUTH ABOUT HIM::
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dItUAwwr_o
THE TEXT Naming affftwh provides proofs that Suicide Bombing and killing or Targeting Non-Combatant civilians is completely Haram it is the refutation to the mail previously provided naming "Clarification of what occurred in America"
LAST OF ALL TAHIR AL-QADRI WROTE A 600 PAGE BOOK AGAINST SUICIDE BOMBING. HE ALSO GAVE A SPEECH (LAUNCHING A HISTORICAL FATWA AGAINST SUICIDE BOMBING AND TERRORISM) CONDEMNING SUICIDE BOMBING AND TERRORISM WITH HIGHEST AND SEVEREST CONDEMNATION ::
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNDanFjzHek
shame on Tahir qadris insult of Prophet(saas)
Tahir qadri is a Qtv fame sufi dancerwho claimed that Prophet (saas) is alive in Madina grave ,he (saas)invited Tahir and came out of his(saas)grave and embraced him and wrote (UMMI)certificate of approval with his own hand then he invited and accompanied and purchased BUS TICKETS for tour of Pakistan!!
Moderates ???!!!!
Listening to Peace conference live, three non-Muslims have accepted Islam in less than an hour.
What have the Self proclaimed "moderates" have done to call the average Indian to Islam .You guys are stuck in your ivory towers of "moderate thought".
I think You are not anti-Dr.Zakir Naik But ANTI-TRUTH.
WHAT A RUBBICH YOU SEEMS TO BE ANTI-TRUTH THEREFORE RAISING FINGERS ON DR.ZAKIR NAIK
MAY ALLAH BLESS YOU.
WASSALAM.
A hindu's opinion of Zakir Naik and his supporters
What really strikes me about Zakir Naik and his supporters is how much they hate non-muslims(hindus mostly). The sort of contempt you have for hindus is obvious. We are taught India is a secular country at school and that we are supposed to respect all religions. But when I see the sort of hatred that muslims on this website have for hindus, I think secularism is a sham. When in a majority muslims want an Islamic state where muslims are primary citizens and kafeers secondary citizens, where kafeers dont have same rights as muslims (for eg. in Saudi Arabia, which is Indian muslim's favorite country after Pakistan, hindus are not given freedom to build temples or even pray to their own Gods) and when in a minority you people want secularism, equal rights for all and so on.
Its clear to me that muslims are enemies of hindus and India. I want people like Zakir Naik to get more publicity. That we people of India will realise how muslims are really like.
justified opinion
I cant understand how much a person can know much with out going there.believing in media only? do you know more then a dozen channel of midddle east are baned in india.
you are talking about temples in saudi but what about the conversion of churches to mosque in europe.
Who cares about Mosque or Church- why no temple in SAUDI
Why should Mosque be allowed in India when Temples are NOT allowed in SAUDI and other GULF COUNTRIES? Why HAJ subsidy when HINDUS in SAUDI are not allowed to pray to GODS they believe in. Is ALLAH so insecure and afraid of HINDU GODS that praying to the powerful HINDU GODS make ALLAH so jealous?
answers to your your question
Hello Anonymous,
Because Islam is the true religion. Not like yours where there are thousands and thousands of so-called gods. What god is higher according to you and what god to prayer in a particular circumtances.
Why should the saudi and others muslims allow false god prayering, when there is only one God and that God is Allah ALONE. Islam does not allow lies.
Allah is not insecure or afraid of hindu man made gods. All your so called gods passed away as ordinary human beings. Don't tell me that they have come on this earth to live among us, to guide us. They were so busy with their own affairs
Just use your brain if a god has create us then why he should have other gods with him. What the use for. Is God have a limited power. Go and search in your scriptures you will see that it is stated that there is only one God, then where the others come from. Go on the net just type you questions relating to and you will see plenty of true answers.
You know it is easy to deny the truth and only the arrogant who deny. Look for the truth.
THE DBATE ON "VISION"- GOING OFF THE TANGENT
THE DEBATE ON "VISION" IS GOING OFF THE TANGENT. WHAT COMMENCED AS ONE BETWEEN SALAFIS AND THE LIKE ON ONE SIDE AND THE SUFIS AND THE LIKE ON THE OTHER HAND HAS BECOME A HINDUS Vs MUSLIMS ONE. THIS MUST BE STOPPED OTHERWISE IT IS BOUND TO SNOWBALL INTO A RAGING IDEOLOGICAL CONFLICT, WHICH, IN TURN, MAY CAUSE COMMUNAL UNREST.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO INITIATED THE DEBATE? IS HE SILENTLY ENJOYING THE FUN LIKE THE SHAITHAN IN SHAIKH SAADI'S STORY IN THE 'GULISTAAN"
THE SILENCE OF FAIZUR RAHMAN IS DEAFENING
JANAB A FAIZUR RAHMAN'S SILENCE BEARS ELOQUENT TESTIMONY TO THE FACT HE IS UNABLE TO RETORT. HENCE, THERE IS ABOSOLUTE NO USE IN KEEPING THE DEBATE OPEN. I REQUEST THE MODERATOR TO DECLARE THAT THE DEBATE STANDS CLOSED [ OF COURSE, IN FAVOUR OF THE CRITICS OF FAIZUR RAHMAN'S ARTICLE }
The country
You need to understand that India is not a Hindu country and does not belong to only Hindus- this was committed to by the Indian Republic at the time the Constitution was formed- hope this puts to rest your confused mind.
The other countries you mentioned are Muslim since quite some time, so why should they change their custom/law?
No religion can claim exclusive right over India- either you are anti-national (as your claim is similar to the one hyped in the media by the Sanghis) or are unaware of your own nation.
Just say with pure intention......
Just say: LAA ILLAHAA ILLALLAH - literal meaning in English: THERE IS NO GOD, EXCEPT ALLAH
Saying above three words, with pure intention - will solve all problems of Temples, SAUDI / GULF COUNTRIES, and all forms of discrimination that you encounter - either overseas, or inside India.
An Observer
Who cares about.... Response to Anonymous
Being an Indian, Mr./Mrs./LGBT Anonymous - you (all Indians) need to care about Mosques, Churches, Temples (and other places of worship), as India declared itself Secular, Democratic Republic when it was formed in 1947. And Indian Muslims were born, lived, and choose to stay in India, because India assured religious freedom to everyone.
Now, if you are asking why some countries are not allowing Temples / Hindu worship in those countries. Hindus went there for employment / business, or visit. Go and ask (even demand) from them, why they are not allowing Temples, if you have guts. Being an educated Indian, I believe you know difference between Republic, Dictatorship, Kingdom, Democracy, Secularism, Communism, etc.
Regarding, Haj - Mr./Mrs./LGBT Anonymous - Air India, Indian Airlines are getting ASSSURED BUSINESS from MASS-TRANSIT of Indian Pilgrims by Hajj Committee. Muslims are not getting any form of subsidy, as you FALSELY believe - without doing any analysis, or sincere dig / thought.
If GOI removes "assured business clause" to Air India / Indian Airlines ((which is being offered under FALSE cover Haj-Subsidy)), other airlines will get that LUCRATIVE, and ASSURED annual business. If offered in open competition, Indian Hajis can BENEFIT MORE - and Air India / Indian Airlines will end-up "loosing assured annual airfare" worth crores of rupees.
Did you get that in your "dumb-head"???
An Indian
WRONG IDEAS ABOUT MUSLIMS & ISLAM
Mr. HINDU you are either sadly mistaken or you are trying to deliberately provoke Muslims. Muslims do not like or approve HINDUISM but are definitely not against HINDUS or that matter against all NON-MUSLIMS. 'LAQUM DEENAKUM, VALIA DEEN " ( "To you, your Faith and to me my Faith" is what Islam teaches. At the time, TOOTH FOR A TOOTH & EYE FOR AN EYE says Islamic Law. If we, Muslims, are provoked and if atrocities are perpetrated on us, do you expect or do you want us to be docile and do what is known in Urdu as "JEE HUZOORI"which means become "YOUR MOST OBEDIENT SERVENT" No, Mr. HINDU we would rather die fighting for our legitimate rights, than live as slaves. Tippu Sultan rightly remarked? "A day's life as a lion is far better than a life of a hundred years as a donkey."
Are you Kidding buddy, We
Are you Kidding buddy, We ourselves are victim of hate from Sanghis. We dont hate we just vent ire.
Re: A Hindu's Opinion
I partially agree with some of your points. The only ones who really hate anything Hindu are the ones who are fanatically religious Wahabi/Salafi sects. Rest of others do not hate, but have grievances against their own miserable conditions as if it was brought onto them by outside forces, a thinking primarily attributed to their own incompetent leaders. The community is badly in need of leaders like Maulana Azad, but sadly their leaders are Owaisis or Bukaris or their local Mullahs.
A Hindu's Opinion
Oops, I forgot to write Mr. Giri, about scores of FALSELY propped Sadhus / Sandhvis / Sants / Maharshis - in whom you have BLIND-FAITH.
I'm sure you know the fate of Maharshi Rajneesh - who practiced NAKED-SEX in Pune. After being expelled from India, he later formed Osho-Ashram in U.S., milked MILLIONS of DOLLARS from his followers - and later died a "poor man".
I am sure you don't need me to give you a list of all those FALSE Godmen, currently misguiding their BLIND-FOLLOWERS in India !!!
An Indian
A Hindu's Opinion
Thank you Mr. Giri for your wise comment, advise, suggestion - with whatever intention you wrote.
Sadly, or by NO-CHOICE, Muslims may have Owaisis, Bukharis, and the like.
But thank God, Muslims DO NOT HAVE leaders / politicians like Modis, Advanis, Thackerays, Thagodias, Rudis, Muthalikes, Katiyars...... and their likes - who preach / profess / practice HATRED, under "full-size" banner of Hindu Religion.
An Indian
Hindus oppose their leaders, do u?
Yes we have those Modis, Thackreys etc. and hindus in large numbers oppose them. They are thugs first and may be hindus next (we don't even care what they follow). But when do you people oppose your thugs like Owaisi and Bhukaris. For you they are muslims first and so all their acts are pardoned. Even a thug like Dawood Ibrahim is muslim first and no matter how many murders he commits; As far as Osama, there is no proof that he is terrorist, just ask Zakir Naik. Wow! what a great logic.
Hindus oppose their leaders.... Response to Mr. Giri
Thank you Mr. Giri, saying openly that you don't like those Modis, Thackareys, etc. just like the millions of other Hindus in India.
Now my only question to you, and your likes:
DO YOU or DON'T BELIEVE IN: "Satyamey Vijayetey" ???
If you say: YES, then let's join hands in fighting, to eliminate ALL CORRUPT LEADERS - irrespective of their religious affiliation(s).
An Indian
Thanks TCN for allowing this
Thanks TCN for allowing this article,this will have the same effect on TCN readers,which Salman Rushdies book&9/11 had on westerners.Those westerers who were possessing good souls have accepted islam in millions in Europe and Americas.Hope Indians too get exposed to Salafi Dawah which indeed is true Islam.Thanks once again for the article.
West has till this date not able to prove that 9/11 was carried out by Osama!!
good student of Zakir Naik
"West has till this date not able to prove that 9/11 was carried out by Osama!!"
You seem to be a very good student of Zakir Natak.
Unfortunately, there were no camera recordings of osama instructing to carry 9/11 and so no proof exists. But again,even if such thing exits, what makes you not say they were doctored to protect your fellow muslim salafi brother?
There is no proof of a thief breaking into your house and stealing things, but there is adequate proof of police coming to your house for investigation. May be it is ok for you if later you hear that the thief is a Salafi Muslim.
good student of...... Response to Giri
By your comment, Mr. Giri, you are implying you are a follower of Late Acharya Rajneesh OR Puttaparthi Sai Baba (world-famous magician).
To-date, there are hundreds of "natak"-creating politicians, abusing power, abusing media, abusing administration, creating divisions among Indians, only to rule over us.
To-date, there are hundreds of Sadhus / Sandhvis / Maharshis / Acharyas - whose sole intention is to gather followers, and misguide them under cover of religious discourses.
You seem to BLINDLY FOLLOW THEM, THEIR DIRECTIVES, THEIR IDEOLOGIES, and also how to distract OTHERS, from main issue???
Now coming to your point.
Yes, ABSOLUTE YES: to-date there is no proof of Osama either instructing OR directing OR even being an architect of 9/11 attacks. He lived and is to-date living in Afghanistan Mountains - and I don't support his views, if (big IF) he is justifying killing others. Yes, 9/11 was an inside-job, to DIVERT PUBLIC attention:
a) To give impetus to SAGGING popularity of President Bush, who got "crowned" by vote-manipulation
b) To distract public attention from Israel, who was blamed @ U.N. Conference Against Racism in Dubran, South Africa - on Sept. 9th 2001 FOR their racist policies against native / indigenous Palestinians
c) To label OR brand Muslims as TERRORISTS
Get this in your dumb-head, instead of trying to divert, obfuscate, and create confusion. Thank you
An Indian
When ZAKIR NAIK can Not
When ZAKIR NAIK can Not ensure peace with in ISLAM how can he offer peace for HUMANITY??? 41 SHIAS were killed on ASHURA and 25 killed on CHEHLUM in Pakistan and similar massacre of SHIAS occurred in IRAQ too, which is the direct result of WAHABI ISLAM being spread by ZAKIR NAIK. ZAKIR NAIK and WAHABI ISLAM will make more and more Muslims fight and KILL each other.
Mr. Faiz. You are truly a
Mr. Faiz.
You are truly a perfect example of selective criticism. Dr. Zakir Naik even though has shortcomings is way better than those grave worshipping psuedo muslims who in fact are hindus as they were rightly owned by RSS chief.
I would recommend just as you have shown the "courage" to criticize Dr. Zakir Naik, also criticize these pathetic morons, the so called ulamas of shias and barelviz, who keep a firm grip on common people and encourage them to do shirk.
I know u will never muster enough courage to crticize them, coz that will cost u ur job perhaps.
If Dr. Zakir Naik said may Allah be pleased with him, after the name of Yazeed, it is nothing comparable to the mightiest crime in the sight of Allah, which is shirk.
How sad to see that twocircles.net has become a sectarian website to promote certain version of Islam and denounce another version of it.
You have lost all credibility.
Y
LET THERE BE AN END TO THIS ENDLESS DEBATE
TOO MUCH OF ANYTHING IS GOOD FOR NOTHING.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
IT IS HIGH TIME JANAB A. FAIZUR RAHMAN SAHEB COMES OUT WITH HIS EXPLANTION AND WITH THAT LET THE DEBATE END, I APPEAL TO YOU Mr. MODERATOR
Why Ibn Jibreen ?
Has bro.Faizur Rahman attended Peace conference ?
Has he listened to Dr.Zakir Naik's speeches ?
If he had done so then what is the need for bringing Ibn Jibreen or his fatwas in the current discussion ?
For eg Zakir Naik calls every Non-Muslim as brother/sister in his speeches. Ibn Jibreen's fatwa abt calling non-muslims as brothers is irrelevant here.
The article would have been useful if the author had commented abt the speeches in the conference, the exhibition etc. This we can call as constructive criticism.
But quoting Ibn Jibreen again and again (may be out of context) does not do justice to the issue.
On Osama I hope every one knows the views of Zakir Naik. He does not support Osama or oppose Osama. But Zakir is against all those who kill innocent people. Associating Osama with peace vision/zakir naik is a very horrible crime until now done by Praveen Swamy of the Hindu newspaper. We have Faiz helping out Praveen Swamy in this issue.
Will bro.Faiz consider as Hatred against Non-Muslims the Islam's central message of 'There is no god but Allah'. Are Quranic verses terming idols as False gods also spreading hatred ?
" To paraphrase Voltaire: to be a good Muslim should one become the enemy of the rest of mankind? "
bro. Faiz will u ask the same question to our beloved Prophet Muhammad ?
Yes, at one point of time the entire Arabian peninsula was against our Prophet and his teachings.
If the peace vision was only about salafism/ extremism why we saw masses in thousands attending it. Are they all supporting salafis/ extremists ? ok, who gave u the right to equate salafis with extremists ?
My final request to you brother, Instead of quoting Ibn Jibreen's fatwas and shouting salafism ,Pls analyse Peace Vision of Islam in the light of Quran and the Prophet's Sunnah. If there is any fault the organisers are ready to rectify it.
Until then there is some problem with ur "Vision".
May Allah guide us on the right path.
Quran: Chapter 23 Believers
Quran chapter 23.
verse 51 O you messengers ! enjoy(All)things good and pure, and work righteousness:for I am well-acquainted with(all)that you do.52 And,surely this Brotherhood of yours is a single Brotherhood, and I am your Lord and cherisher:therefore fear Me(and no other).
53 But people have cut off their affairs(of unity),between them,into sects:each party rejoices in that which is with itself. 54 But leave them in their confused ignorance for a time.55 Do they think that because we have granted them abundance of wealth and sons, 56 we would hasten them on every good? No, they do not understand.
63 But their hearts are in confused ignorance of this:and there are,besides that,deeds of theirs,which they will(continue)to do. 64 Until We seize in punishment those of them who received the good things of this world,behold,they will groan in supplication!
96 Repel evil with that is best: We are well acquainted with the things they say.97 And say "O my Lord ! I seek refuge with you from the suggestions of the satans. 98 "And I seek refuge with You o my Lord! lest they should come near me"
Prophet Muhammad(S.A.W)said: in the end times, satan will deceive Muslims from among them self.
Please Mr. Faiz Rehman don't deceive people by making the things complicated and complex.
'Chennai witnessed a rare show of Shia-Sunni unity'
O.k we will only decode your first line, when your brain started working in a very disorganized manner and you were thinking that how by using the word 'unity' i can deceive people. when you talk of Shia-Sunni you are yourself dividing people into Shia & Sunni. What Allah has commanded in the above verses "yours is a single Brotherhood". Why didn't you use the word 'Muslim Unity'
and All you supporters or Followers of Mr. Faiz, Kindly Don't let any body divide you using the words like 'Unity'.
Quran 23.1 The believers must(eventually)win through.
Mr. Faiz just by talking of peace and unity you cannot deceive people.we would have disected all your thoughts word by word but please For the sake of Allah don't divide people. If in Public you will be asked that " to whom belong the earth and all beings therein? if you know. You will say Allah! " Yet will you not receive admonition?
Be a Muslim !
May Allah Guide all of the Humanity to the True path.
Ameen!
Do you Know what! when you divide people you are destroying peace!
DEFINITION OF BELIEVERS
Even the worst effected and most chronic inmate of an Institute of Mental Health will not say what you have said Viz., that there are NO divisions amongst Muslims and that Muslims will get divided if and when people talk about a division which had its birth during the days of Ameerul Momineen Ali Murthuza (R).
SHIAHS are SHIAS and SUNNIS are SUNNIS. I also wish that the twain meets.
What people like me desire and are striving is: to, at least, reduce, to the extent possible, the degree of hostility between the two sections of the Ummathul Momineen, since UNION BETWEEN THEM is an but an Utpoian wish. People like you knowingly or inadvertently are fanning the flames of mutual hatred by siding with one or the other.
More on hearing from you,Khan Saheb.
Peace- The Vision of Salafism and Wahabism
Can there be any doubt after reading Mr. Faizur Rahman's article that what Dr. Zakir Naik is promoting is nothing but imported Salafism and not the Islam preached by our Rasool-e-Kareem. I think he must be honest enough to change his slogan to "Peace-The Vision of Salafism and Wahabism."
Shame on your capitalist
Shame on your capitalist mentality of import/export materialism.How dare you say Islam as practiced by our Aslaf (plural of salafi meaning first three generation of muslims)was not in line with Rasool e karim(saas).Prophet (saas)himself said that these muslims will be the best people of my Ummah.
dont tag "ism" to misguide people away from the way of salafi islam.
PEACE & PIECES
I HAVE A FEELING THAT PEACE WILL POSITIVELY BE TORN TO PIECES IF THIS DEBATE GOES ON. IF THIS DEBATE GOES ON, I THINK SHIAS AND SUNNIS AND EVEN AMONGST SUNNIS THE GRAVES-WORSHIPPERS AND GRAVES-DESTROYERS WILL START FIGHTING NOT ONLY WITH THEIR PENS AND TONGUES BUT WITH DEADLY WEAPONS. SO I BEG OF THE MODERATOR TO CALL UPON THE INITIATOR OF THE DEBATE TO ANSWER THE CHARGES LEVELLED AGAINST HIM AND AGAINST TCN.
A HUMBLE FROM A HUMBLE PEACE KEEPER
Don't be disheartened TwoCircles!
Some people here have attacked TwoCircles.net for publishing Faizur Rahman's article. But please do not be disheartened dear TwoCircles. These are narrow-minded extremists who think that only the Salafis must enjoy the monopoly of preaching Islam because according to them all others are on the wrong path. Your website is doing a great job of giving equal oppurtunities to all. If the Wahabis feel that what Faizur Rahman wrote is incorrect then let them counter it with a rejoinder instead of abusing him (like Irshad Ahmad did)and threatening Twocirlces that they will unsubscribe. Let them go if they want to. Allah will give you a more liberal and intellectual audience.
This hatred for women must stop
Pasha I condemn you for saying that a physically sick wife can make her husband do illegal acts to earn money. What have you thought of women? I wonder what kind of a husband you are to your wife. I pity that poor lady. Why dont you tell your theory to your wife and see her reaction? And will you also recommend the killing of a be-namaazi and throw her body on the streets? Please advise us O wise one!
HATRED FOR WOMEN
Neither WIVES nor HUSBANDS are angels - incapable of commiting sins, Both the categories of humans have been erring since the days of Hazrath AADHAM and will continue to do so till QIYAMATH. The ONE and ONLY PERFECT and SINLESS human being is our beloved Prophet (s.a.w.s). In the eighty plus Summers of my life, I have come across several instances where HUSBANDS have MISLED WIVES and vice-versa. It is unfortunate that I have made myself clearly understood. I am NOT and it is a NOT ( to the power of n ) what you call a WIFE-HATER. If WIVES hate what I say, it is because TRUTH IS BITTER.
What I was driving at is at when a person is on the horns of a dilemma, over a religious question, one should not hesitate to consult an AALIM and by an AALIM I mean a qualified and bonafide AALIM and not the mercenary dime a dozen Moulvis or Moulanas.
In fine, my contention is: ONLY IF AND WHEN A WIFE WANTS TO GET MEDICAL TREATMENT THRO' MEANS WHICH ARE NOT PERMISSIBLE IN ISLAM, IT IS THE DUTY OF THE HUSBAND TO LEAVE THE MATTER IN THE HANDS OF ALLAH - TO CURE HER OR LET HER DIE OF HER ILLNESS. BY ALLAH ! THOUGH I LOVE MY WIFE VERY DEARLY, I WOULD DO THE SAME THING IN CASE SHE IS (God forbid) SAYS OR DOES WHAT THE FICTIONAL WIFE SAYS OR DOES I WROTE ABOUT. I MEAN I WILL LEAVE HER IN THE HANDS OF ALLAH AND SIT WITH MY HANDS CROSSED INVOKING THE MERCY OF ALLAH - AWAITING HER RECOVERY OR HER DEATH. I WOULD NOT ARRANGE FOR MEDICAL TREATMENT WITH TAINTED MONEY.
DO YOU WANT ANY FURTHER CLARIFICATION?
Are you a misogynist Mr. Pasha?
Mr. Pasha's explanation of the fatwa regarding the wife's treatment is shocking. How can he say that the wife may be forcing her poor husband to do something illegal to pay for her treatment? It betrays his male chauvinism just like the mullah who gave this horrible fatwa. Shame on you Mr Pasha for degrading women. The fatwa does not say that it was meant for a poor husband who cannot his wife's medical expenses. It is a general pronouncement and that is why it deserves to be condemned in strongest possible terms. Please dont try to justify it through your nonsensical reasoning.
And what about the fatwa not to mix with non-Muslims and the killing of those who do not pray? I was a fan of Dr. Zakir Naik but now he stands exposed. Now I will not put my son in his school which I was planning.
I AM NOT WHAT YOU SAY I AM
PLEASE HAVE THE GOODNESS TO READ MY REJOINDER TO SISTER TABASSUM. THE REJOINDER IS SELF-EXPLANATORY. FOR THE WISE, JUST A LITTLE HINT IS SUFFICIENT, BUT IF YOU HAVE DECIDED NOT TO BE CONVINCED THEN THE SAYING ABOUT THE DONKEY - NAMELY: "TEN MEN CAN DRAG A HORSE TO WATER BUT TEN THOUSAND CANNOT MAKE IT DRINK" APPLIES IN YOUR CASE.
MAY ALLAH GUIDE YOU- AND ME ALSO - ARIGHT.
TCN: Please be inclusive
Dr.Zakir Naik's style of Dawah indeed needs improvement. I personally feel that his style of dressing is funny to say the least. But whatever he does is praiseworthy considering the fact that he has chosen to go to the mainstream. He is a popular figure only among Muslims and even few non Muslims intellectuals too can recognise him. But his biggest contribution is that he has inculcuated the appetitie for Dawah among Muslim youth. Jamaat-e-Islami may be the most organised Dawah organisation but its Dr.Zakir who has become the face of Dawah in India. So instead of criticising him, TCN should have exercised restraint. TCN may not agree with Dr. Naik but for TCN its imperative that it adopts an inclusive approach. In the first place Muslims dont have enough media workers and all such splendid efforts like TCN must not become victims of the internal divide. TCN, you are a secular face of Muslims and please dont lose this hard earned reputation to such trivial matters.
sohel, whats so funny about
sohel, whats so funny about his dressing? wts your option please.i dont think jamat islami is so organized like IRF. salam to IRF,peace tv, And dr.zakir naik
Zakir Naik is a
I am numbed by the information put forth in this article. The fatwas quoted here are not only ridiculous, they are actually inhuman in nature. I think it is high time we looked closely as to who our religious guides should be. I've not used the word "leader" deliberately because of late I've seen leaders only playing power games and indulging in big time corruption.
Having said this, I am also taken aback, in fact appalled, by the fatwa about the medical expenses of a wife. Apart from showing the Islamic scholar in poor light, it also shows the husband's cruelty and sheer inhumaneness that he should have approached an alim for a fatwa on the medical expenses of his wife !
Also the fatwas about one who does not perform namaz or Zakir Naik justifying the extremist views of the Arab scholars or his views on Islam being the ONLY religion, are all fit to be put in the dustbin without a second's thought.
The fact that must be appreciated is that all such extremists irrespective of their religion are not well-wishers of the faith that they seem to profess and spread. They are actually cowards, who seek the proverbial "sacrificial lambs". Innocent, unsuspecting masses are "awed" by the "knowledge" of the Naiks, which is nothing but their skill to remember and quote verses from various religious texts, and their exceptional oratory powers to infuence the listeners and viewers across the globe.
This also proves that memorising something does not mean you have really understood it too.
I am convinced that be it Naik, Modi, Thakeray or whoever such other, all of them are birds of a feather, working ruthlessly to strengthen the agendas of global corporate forces.
why should you be excluded of the list Zohra
@ Zohra,
Good that you have an opinon on Dr Zakir Naik. You are a real 'cosmopolitan' and Naik, Modi and Thakre do not have any existence in this system. But, by excluding yourself, you made the cardinal mistake of ingnoring yourself. If you do not accept the existence of these people, how come your would be able to bring them to the 'right path'. Do you have any 'right path' in your idelogy? If yes, then try implementing it peacefully as Dr Naik is doing, if no, then you are in league of the Modis and Thakres and not Dr Naik. I too have many criticalities about Dr Zakir Naik but simple off the cuff comments are unwarranted lest Allah find us at wrong path. If you say I am not beleiver in Allah, please excuse me, please change your name as it make many heart burn for having the name of Zohra, a very venerated name in Islam and here you have the same. Let all be entitled for their own thought, if peaceful even better.
By the way, what about changing your Arabi name??
CONTINUATION
HENCE WHAT IS WRONG IF A MUSLIM HUSBAND SEEKS A FATWAH FROM AN AALIM ABOUT THE QUESTION OF MEDICAL EXPENSES? IN THIS CASE THE HUSBAND MIGHT HAVE BEEN A POOR MAN AND THE WIFE MUST HAVE BEEN URGING HIM TO DO SOMETHING ILLEGAL TO GET MONEY TO MEET THE MEDICAL EXPENSES. AN AALIM IS THERE ONLY TO TELL MUSLIMS THIS IS PERMISSIBLE IN ISLAM AND THIS IS NOT AND IT IS THE DUTY OF MUSLIMS TO BE ALERT AND NEVER HESITATE TO SEEK GUIDANCE FROM BONAFIDE AALIMS AND NOT FROM MERCENARY AALIMS WHO ARE CALLED "ULAMA-E-SOO"
Ek Zack Muslims ko sects banadeta hain
Sir, it is a pity to observe that whenever any article appears on this portal about Dr Zack, tempo of the contributors goes high and you can clearly see all the Muslim brethern fighting with each other forgetting that they belong to the same religion that preach "Universal Brotherhood"
ISLAM preaches universal brotherhood
ISLAM and universal brotherhood??? You just have to be joking. Even the followers of ISLAM can not form brotherhood and establish peace for themselves- how can ISLAM offer universal brotherhood and peace. Just the other day SHIAS were blasted in IRAQ - not by USA- but by SUNNI MUSLIMS. Muslims have been killing muslims all over the world. More muslims have been killed by muslims themselves than by any one else. And yet ISLAM speaks of brotherhood and peace. WHAT A BIG JOKE.
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