Why Muslim headcount in Indian Army necessary?




By Aziz A. Mubaraki,

The Indian army is expected to remain a truly secular institution, without any prejudice or bias towards any religion, caste or creed. The Chiefs of this national army have come from different religious backgrounds. But interestingly, none came from the Muslim community. The [much-talked] Sachar Committee which was formed by the government to map the Muslim participation in different social and economic spheres in the country recommended the headcount of Muslims in different levels of the army some years ago. However, the idea of Muslim headcount in the army was strongly resisted by the then Army chief, General JJ Singh, who said that any such survey would dent the core of the institution. But there was no harm in getting the information as the government has the right to know the current status of Muslims in India. National security should be a top concern for the government. But to know how the community is faring in all terms of development must also be welcomed as it may help the government chalk out various schemes to improve the social status of the backward community.

But this hue and cry then did not remain confined to the army HQs only. In January 2006, L.K. Advani, then Leader of Opposition in the Lok Sabha, walked out from the house obviously over the proposal of Muslim headcount in the army. But Why Mr. Advani & Company was so afraid by the idea of Muslim headcount in Indian Army? What was so offensive, secret or classified info hidden in it? There have been similar surveys in police and paramilitary forces in the country.

Why Muslim headcount in Army necessary?
In fact there are four important reasons which support the move of the Muslim headcount in the army.

1. The Sachar Committee was constituted to look into the representation of Muslims in various segments of private and public sector employment. So if it was seeking the details of Muslim employees in various levels, what was the fuss about this information in the armed forces?

2. Army already has region or community based regiments in place since British colonial days. The battle cries are based on religion and gods of different religions. Then why there was all this noise about Muslim headcount?

3. Muslims are underrepresented in the army. To rectify it we ought to take a headcount in the first step. This has already been done in the police and paramilitary. So why should army object to this?

4. And most importantly, the army chief is to serve the government as we have seen in the case of incumbent army chief, his valid grievance and the outcome so far, then why the then army chief questioned a decision of the government? And if, is it acceptable in a democracy?



Khaki and Ethnic Violence in India : Book by late Omar Khalidi investigated the religious composition of the armed forces, paramilitary and police.

Perhaps the reasons for keeping things such secretly wrapped are the substandard statistics of Muslims serving the army. While there is no official report, but the strength of Muslims is roughly around 2% and the figure comes around 29,000 in the million-strong Indian army, according to a news channel survey programme titled Minority Report. And If the number of Muslims serving in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) infantry that has over 50% Muslims and those in other wings not directly dealing with warfare are excluded, the proportion is definitely too low. So out of a Muslim population of nearly 20 crores, barely 29,000 Muslims were found suitable for Indian Army. Is it not pathetic!

Adding to the woes it’s equally regretful that there has not been a single Muslim Army Chief except Air Chief Marshal Idris Hasan Latif, PVSM who as the first Muslim Chief of Air Staff of the IAF was involved fully in the re-equipment and modernization plans of the air force. He convinced the government to approve the procurement of the Jaguar strike aircraft, a proposal which was lying dormant for over 8 years. He also held negotiations with the Russians and saw the induction of the MiG-23 and later, the MiG-25 aircraft into the IAF. And what could be more unfortunate than the incident that even Rasoolan Bibi, wife (widow) of Hawaldar Abdul Hameed- who was conferred the nation’s highest gallantry award Param Vir Chakra posthumously during the 1965 India-Pakistan war, literally had to beg President Pratibha Patil’s intervention to get her cataract operated in 2008.

History of Muslim under-representation in Indian army
But coming back to the real issue, the reason for the Muslim under-representation in the Indian army lies partly in history, and its public revelation must harm nobody. Whatever the exact percentage, a huge Muslim under-representation in our army is a fact. So is a huge Sikh over-representation. See the contrast. Sikhs form 1.86 per cent of India’s population but number around 8 per cent in the Indian army. While Muslims comprise about 18 per cent of India’s population but are 2 per cent in the army. Why is this truth about Muslim under-representation in the armed forces going censored? But an illogical love of confidentiality causes Indian rulers to hide information whose public admission would harm nobody. Just as Muslims are under-represented in the army, so are the Bengalis, Biharis, Oriyas, south Indians or Gujaratis. And just as Sikhs are over-represented, so are the Jats, Dogras, Garhwalis, Kumaonis, Gurkhas, Marathas and others. The Indian army’s recruitment pattern was set 150 years ago by India’s 1857 uprising. Shocked by the revolt, the British army adopted a recruitment strategy that punished the groups which rebelled against them and rewarded the ones that stayed trustworthy. Because Muslims of Awadh, Bihar and West Bengal led the uprising against the British, the British army stopped hiring soldiers from these areas. Also blacklisted from these places were high-caste Hindus whose regiments in Bengal were also mutineers. In disparity, the British raised the recruitment of castes that had stood by the British to put down the revolution and honored as martial races, they received preferential treatment in army recruitment for the following 90 years. Like any institution, the Indian army is a prisoner of the past.

Even today, the Indian Army favors enlisting men from the martial races. Their over-representation in the Indian army is enormous and figures bear this out. Of 2.87 lakh jawans hired by the army in between 2004 to 2006, a disproportionate 44,471 came from three “martial” states, Punjab, Haryana, and the mountain state of Uttaranchal. So these states which account for 5 per cent of India’s population provided 15 per cent of India’s army jawans.

In contrast, the fewest recruits came from “non-martial” West Bengal and Bihar. These two states account for 30 per cent of India’s population, but they provided only 14 per cent of army jawans in this three-year period. So the Indian army has not only a religion-based disparity in recruitment, but also one based on caste and region. A glimpse of this discrimination was provided by a press release issued by a defence office in Jammu ten years ago. Seeking recruits for the Indian army, the press release said: “No vacancies for Muslims and tradesmen.” Meaning that aggressive Dogras were welcome to apply, but not Hindu business castes like the Baniyas and the Khatris.

Why does India have separate regiments for the Sikhs, Jats, Dogras, Garhwalis, Kumaonis, Mahars, the Nagas, even the Gurkhas, but not a single regiment for the Muslims? This is tragic but it’s the truth which shouldn’t be suppressed. It should be recognized and dealt with. Muslim under-recruitment in the Indian army is an outcome of Partition. India and Pakistan’s antagonism is seen in both countries as Hindu versus Muslim terms, which is absolutely incorrect. But this chauvinism in itself discourages qualified Muslim youths from applying, which drives down Muslim numbers even more. Hence it’s quite right that the Muslims under-recruitment in the army strips the community of a good, life-long source of employment. It’s a sad situation which is not so easy to correct.

India’s armed forces are averse to hire Muslims as soldiers because they suspect the community’s loyalty to India. This discrimination is a natural outcome of the bitter rivalry between India and Pakistan over 60 years. In similar situations, the same thing happens all over the world. The Israeli army doesn’t trust its Arab soldiers in jobs related to defence security. The Buddhist Sinhalese army under-recruits its Hindu Tamils for fear that their sympathies could lie with the Tamil Tigers. And After 9/11, US army recruiters would probably screen a Muslim American volunteer more thoroughly than a Christian American.

Composition of Indian Army
This under-representation of Muslims and other caste or regional groups benefits the over-represented ones. The composition of the Indian army is totally awry numbers-wise. West Bengal’s population is eight times that of Uttaranchal. But Uttaranchal provided almost the same number of army recruits as West Bengal almost every year. Compare a “martial” Punjab with a non-martial Gujarat. Punjab’s population is half that of Gujarat. But it provided four times as many people to the Indian army as Gujarat. The Indian army hired far more recruits in Rajasthan than in Tamil Nadu though Tamil Nadu’s population is higher. So basically, the Indian army is subjugated numbers-wise by Sikhs and Hindi-speaking Hindus of north India. This imperfect current status quo must go. Why Muslims are expected to wear patriotism on their sleeves and there is absolutely no reason to disbelieve or distrust people of this community. Muslims are as much Indian as any other in this country and have always stood firmly on the forefront whenever there’s a call of duty for the country. A few untoward stray incidents must not stand in account for the test of loyalty always, as because going by such biased benchmark it may initiate an awful precedent. As many such incidents had offenders, perpetrators who were not from the minority community.

This unwritten divisive law of mistrust and bias must go. But none of it will end until we help make these things end by taking some proactive steps. This current state of mind and pertinent approach will only lead to more divergence and separation between the largest minority (Muslims) and the ruling majority (Hindus). And the entire country will be perpetually distrustful, forever looking over our shoulders and living a life in fear, that fear framed by metal detectors, security cameras, and sharp glances at people who appear to be with grown beard and a skull cap. Hence in the end following the chart below will enlighten the vocabulary of the people who presume Muslims as alien or anti Indians.

Muslim soldiers who made India and community proud
The following chart divulges the names of some who made not only the community but the country proud:

Param Vir Chakra
Company Havildar Major Abdul Hamid, (4 Grenadiers)

Maha Vir Chakra
Mohammed Ismail: 1947-48 Operation
Brig. Mohammed Usman: Indo-Pakistan War

Kirti Chakra
2007: Mohd. Shan Ahmed (posthumous) was posted as Cash Overseer at post office Jhansi. On 26 December, 2005, resisted looting of cash and in the attempt succumbed to fatal injuries inflicted by armed miscreants. He belonged to Jhansi (UP).

2009:
Lance Havildar Aziz Mohd: 20 Jammu and Kashmir Rifles (Posthumous)
Sapper/Operator Executive Machinery Budhu Khan (Posthumous) Naik Mohd Sadiq

2008:
Rifleman Abdul Hamid Chara: 162 Infantry Battalion TA (H&H)JAK LI/18 Rashtriya Rifles(posthumous)

2007:
Rifleman Raiece Ahmad Ganaie: Jammy & Kashmir Light Infantry/50 Rashtriya Rifles

2006:
Havildar Mohammad Maroof: 23 Rajput Regiment,
Havildar Abrahim: Jammu And Kashmir Light Infantry/47 Rashtriya Rifles
Rifleman Riyaz Ahmad Bhat: Assam Regiment/35 Rashtriya Rifles

Sena Medal (gallantry)

2009:
Havildar Ilyas Ali: 32 Assam Rifles
Lance Naik Javaid Ahmad Wani: Jamm and Kashmir Light Infantry// 44 Rashtriya Rifles
Rifleman Mohamad Hadish: 24 Assam Rifles (Posthumous)

2008:
Subedar Mohd Rashid: Jammu and Kashmir Rifles/28 Rashtriya Rifles
Naik Mohammed Amin Bhat: Jammu and Kashmir Light Infantry/62 Rashtriya Rifles
Sepoy Abdul Hamid: 153 Infantry Battalion (TA) Dogra
Sepoy Abdul Hamid: 156 Inf Bn TA (H&H) Punjab/58 Rashtriya Rifles
Sepoy Qumer-ud-din Beg: 156 Inf Bn TA (H&H) Punjab/58 Rashtriya Rifles
Rifleman Ishtiaq Ahmed: Jammu and Kashmir Light Infantry/18 Rashtriya Rifles
Rifleman Mehmood Ahmed Itoo: Jammu and Kashmir Light Infantry/33 Rashtriya Rifles
Rifleman Mohd Yousaf Lone: 161 Infantry Battalion TA (H&H) JAK LI
Rifleman Mazafar Iqbal: 14 Assam Rifles

2007:
Captain Anas Ahmad: 19 Kumaon Regiment
Lance Naik Mehmood Shah: 3 Jammu and Kashmir Light Infantry
Sepoy Mohd Sharief: 159 Infantry Batallion (TA)(H&G) Dogra, 23 Rashtriya Rifles
Sepoy Jabir Khan: Mechanised Infantry/9 Rashtriya Rifles
Rifleman Gohar Ali Khan: Jammu & Kashmir Light Infantry/19 Rashtriya Rifles
Rifleman Mohammad Sayed Mantoo: Jammu & Kashmir Fiels/18 Rashtriya Rifles
Rifleman Abdul Rahim Dar: 162 Infantry Battalion (TA) JAK LI/14 Rashtriya Rifles
Rifleman Nazir Ahmad Wani: 162 Infantry Battalion (TA) JAK LI/14 Rashtriya Rifles
Rifleman Md Ibrahim Khan: 33 Assam Rifles

2006:
Company Havildar Major Mohammad Ashraf Sheikh: 22 Maratha Light Infantry.
Lance Naik Farooq Ahmad Rather: 20 Jammu And Kashmir Rifles

Param Vishisht Seva Medal
The Param Vishsish Seva Medal is awarded to recognize "distinguished service of the most exceptional order" to all ranks of the armed forces. In practice, however, the award tends to be granted only to the most senior officers of the various branches of the Indian military. The award may be granted posthumously and subsequent awards are represented by a bar worn on the ribbon. The award carries with it the right to use "P.V.S.M." as post nominal letters.

2008:
Lieutenant General Zameer uddin Shah, SM, VSM: Regiment of Artillery(General Cadre)
Ati Vishisht Seva Medal

2009:
Major General Syed Ata Hasnain, SM, VSM: Infantry: HQ 19 Infantry Division

Vishisht Seva Medal

2009:
Air Commodore Naseem Akhtar: Flying (Pilot)

2008:
Group Captain Zia Ahmad Rizvi: Logistics

Sena Medal

2009:
Brigadier Khurshid Maneck Balsara: Naga Regiment
Brigadier Pattiarimal Mohamadali Hariz, VSM: Mechanised Infantry/ HQ 91 Infantry Brigade

2008:
Colonel Steve Muzaffar Ismail: 2/1 Gorkha Rifles
Subedar Mohd Ilyas: 3, Jammu and Kashmir Light Infantry Regimental Centre

Vayu Sena Medal (gallantry)

2009:
JWO Jawed Hussain Siddiqi, Flt Eng

2009:
Rakshak:
Lance/Naik Abdul Rashid Khan: Territorial Army, 5 Rashtriya Rifles
Rhino:
Captain Mudassar Iqbal: 2 Bihar

(The author is Member, Advisory Committee, Airport Authority of India (NSC), Ministry of Civil Aviations, Government of India)

Comments

Muslim represenation in the army

The above arlticle on this issue is eye opening and revealing of bias that the country in general and army in particular has about Muslims. I am also alarmed at the news that Mr Advani staged a walk out on the issue of counting number of Muslims in the army. I am definitely going to read the book mentioned in this article by Mr. Khalidi.

who is stopping muslims from

who is stopping muslims from joining the army? the martial races you are complaining about are the ones responsible for the safety of this country on countless occasions. sikhs, jats, gurkhas, marathas didn't stand on side of britishers. first of all, get your facts straight, and check their contribution in freedom struggle and the wars india has fought after independence.

Well represented all over

Muslims shown having won awards from Rajput, Dogras, Grenadiers, Assam, Kumaon, Rashtriya rifles, Assam Rifles, Maratha Light Infantry, Naga Regiment, Gorkha Rifles, Bihar, Punjab, Infantry Battalion TA in addition to Jammu & Kashmir Light Infantry and Jammu & Kashmir Rifles indicate wide spread employment of Muslims in Army. Jammu & Kashmir Light Infantry and Jammu and Kashmir Rifles are two names in the list for a state with Muslim majority population indicate opportunities for Muslims in army

Representation of Muslims in the Army

The reason for lower representation as well as no separate regiment for Muslims in India is very simple. At the time of the partition the then Indian Army was split, 1/3 going to Pakistan and 2/3 coming to India. All the Muslim predominant units / subunits went to Pakistan.
Secondly, it is not only that the Army prefers to recruit from the 'martial races' but the maximum people come forward for recruitment from these 'races' or areas only.

It is extremely important that a vital instrument of state like the Army is not viewed as yet another source of employment generation and shared up between communities through reservation.

Muslim underrepresentation in the Indian Army.

Given the history of this region and other reasons, it is obvious why the Indian Army do not want large numbers of Muslims in their army. Is it so difficult to understand? The Indian Army are absolutely right to maintain this recruitment policy.

Dear Indian Muslims

You people love Pakistan and even cheer for Pakistan in cricket matches against India, even though Pakistan is an enemy of India and has killed thousands of Indians, both soldiers and civilians.How can anybody trust you people ? A job in the Indian Army is only for people who love India and are willing to fight for India and its integrity. So obviously, you people cannot apply. You can apply for positions in Pakistan's ISI though. In fact most of you are already a part of that wonderful organisation.

All Hindus are loyal and All Muslims are disloyal??!!

The senior IAS officer who allegedly sought sexual favours from a widow has been identified as D K Rangaswamy, currently serving as Mass Education department director, according to Lokayukta documents in the possession of a leading newspaper.

Now can any stupid guy conclude that all Hindu IAS officers are sex perverts and should be thrown out of employment.

There are good and evil people in all religions, if not India would had a horrendous civil-war leading to the deaths of millions of people.

The eitire Tamil population of Tamil Nadu( about 7 crores) support the aspirations of the Sri Lankan Tamils. Would you say that the Indian Tamil speaking citizens are disloyal to India by supporting Tamil Eelam. Would you say this is interfering in the internal affairs of Sri Lanka.

You are confusing religious affinity and patriotism.

Go around the villages in India where 85% of the people live and see the religious tolerance and understanding.

We can not allow the sore of Gujarat massacre and Babri demolition to continue to dirty the body politic of India.

It is important to realise that it is the communal political parties that pretend to represent the Hindus or Muslims.

The fact is that they do not represent the common Hindus and Muslims. We have to look at the liberal sections of the leadership from both communities

Please kill your prejudice and look at issues with the fear of God and Karma.

The above two comments are

The above two comments are interesting and we need more healthy comments on them. The youngster should get themselves 100% and go thru.
faruqi - noida

Muslims are Anti India

Muslims are Anti India and Anti Hindu. So Muslims must be stopped from joining Indian Army. Muslims can become Terrorists after joining army and will become attackers of country instead of defenders of country. Suspension on Muslim is justified because of Muslims violent and terrorist nature. Only true patriot Hindus and Sikhs join Army.

Who ( Budhists) killed 40,000 innocent Tamils in Sri Lanka?

How many of the Hindu right wing and RSS influenced readers will deny that

The following terrorist attacks were carried out by the HINDU AL-QAEDA thugs 1. Mumbai Train Bomb Blasts. 2. Malegaon Bomb Blast 3. Ahmedabad Bomb Blast 4. Surat Unexplored Bomb Blast. 5. Delhi Bomb Blast 2008 6. Samjhauta Express Bomb 7. Hyderabad Mecca Masjid Blast
8. Ajmer Sharif Darga Blast 9. Serial Blast in UP courts 10. Jaipur Blasts. 11 Nanded Blast 12. Malegaon Blast of 2008 the other one was 2006. and the giant ones such as 13. Babri Masjid demolition and 14. the century’s worst massacre in Gujarat killing over 2300 innocent people. We have to wait for 17 years (until the year 2019) to get Narendra Modi to submit his case in the court.

American Presidents can face impeachment procedure, but not Indian Chief Ministers as they are more powerful than monarchs of the Middle-Eastern kingdoms.

People like you who blindly and prejudicially support groups like RSS and Bajrang Dal can not bring peace between communities and nations. You have to kill your radicalism and fanaticism. Hindu terrorists demolished Babri Masjid in Ayodhya under the pretext that Lord Rama was born exactly on the spot where the Muslim Imam was standing for prayer.

Muslim radicals and terrorists like Dawood Ibrahim retaliated for the demolition of Babri Masjid by his terror attacks in Bombay and the Hindu terrorists killed scores of people in Bombay post-Dawood blasts.

Muslims torched a train (alleged) and Modi and company retaliated by killing 50 times more that number torched( 21st century’s worst massacre in india.

So the tit for tat goes on to the disadvantage of minorities. Terrorism in South Asia cannot be weeded out without cooperation between India and Pakistan..

They need each other's support to eliminate terrorism from South Asia. There is no other option,

Innocent people of both countries(99% are peace lovers) are the worst victims of terrorism. Terrorists are the biggest enemies of both the countries,

There is no tension between people of the two countries as there is no enmity between the common people of Hinduism and Islam

The people of India and Pakistan do not want war...We have seen enough wars and we don't want it any further,

Kill your prejudice and look at issues more objectively

Against Religious Consideration in Army

"4. And most importantly, the army chief is to serve the government as we have seen in the case of incumbent army chief, his valid grievance and the outcome so far, then why the then army chief questioned a decision of the government? And if, is it acceptable in a democracy?" This is the fourth point of this writer where he is asking questions on the name of democracy. Tell me whats wrong if a military person puts up a question on the decision made by the government of India? Are they only suppose to die with their lips sealed. You media-person will make an issue if someone even farts upon you but army chief has no rights to even put up a question. Brilliant! @Administrator- This is definitely gonna hurt religious sentiments. In the world of national security there is no word in the dictionary such as religion. Questions like this are definitely going to split the people.

Are vegetarians better fighter than non-vegetarians?

Muslim representation in State and central Government employment in India and the Muslim representation in security and armed forces in India is less than 2.5%:

This is an open discrimination of minorities and against the constitution of India which contains in it the clauses expecting the Govt to treat all its citizens equitably, do not make us feel as a second class citizen.

Extraordinary privileges to Muslim minorities in India is a myth and an RSS propaganda by doing which they continue to increase the vote bank among the brain washed people .

But it is not going to work in the future as more and more people are getting advanced education and are able to realise the dirty political game that politicians play, more over religion (all religions) are losing their hold on people and even the traditional religious and moral Indian values are fast going to the dogs.

Indian Muslims in both real terms and in ratio terms are poorer, weaker, lower in the number of senior officers, in political representation, in employment, in education and in the redistribution of wealth

The reason for 2% representation of Muslim in India’s armed forces is a fabrication, it is based on prejudice. There had been 37 cases of army personnel caught in spying for other countries and out of these 35 cases belong to the majority community.

Some say Muslims fail the tests. That is a lie. In the pre-partition India, Muslims had 40% representation in the armed forces. Do you mean to say that they were more fitted physically in 1940s and less fitted after independence.

It is simple and unadulterated discrimination based on bias, prejudice and the influence of the politically dominant castes in India. Do not tell me vegetarians can be better fighters more masculine than meat eaters.

Reservations: Have the Dalits benefitted?

Those who say caste based and poverty based reservations has not brought a semblance of leveling to a significant extent are lying. Count the number of IAS officers among the Harijan since 1950. This happened because of reservations.

Can any of the readers deny the existence of 22% and 27% reservations for the STs/SCs OBCs respectively, and the 50% limit set by the SC.?

Muslims do not want a separate reservation quota.

But since the situation of Minority Muslims is far far worse than that of minority Christians, we request that, Muslims should be included in the OBC category of 27% ( by increasing it to say 30% to 35%) and extend supreme court limit correspondingly thus giving the benefits of reservations as is being done in states like Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Kerala.

Muslims are not asking for the moon. They are asking the Govt to consider them as economically weak and poor and hence to be included under the existing quota by making minor adjustments.

Equity and Justice in providing employment please

There is no equity at all.

For instance there is disproportionate percentage of Sikhs in the armed and security forces but less than 2% of the Muslim minorities. Should we say no to Sikhs because one of them assassinated a Prime Minister of India.

But about 8% of the armed forces comprise Christian minorities

So grievances should be addressed without religious bias giving due respect to the constitution of India and with a view to reduce the gap between the haves and have-nots in India.

It is injustice allowing 38% of the population earning less than Rs 1000 a month where as 5% of the population earning on the average Rs one lakh a month.
(Is it wrong to include the Muslims within the 38% I have mentioned if they are backward, poor but qualified)

we need reservations to narrow this anti-social gap and prevent huge social unrest in the future.

Let BJP Give a Promise the th Minorities.

Was national consensus obtained when the Indian army consisted of 35% Sikhs, a huge disproportionate number when other segments such as Dalits were neglected in armed forces?

What percentage of Dalits are in Indias armed forces? And in the Indian air force? Not even 0.5% . Why?

Is Air Force a restricted territory for the upper caste and the so called warrior race?

I think BJP can play the same game to come to power in 2014. That is promise the Muslim minorities that say 8% Govt Employment reservations should they vote BJP and make them grab power at the centre,

It is high time BJP followed the same policy in the case of Muslim minorities to get their votes and come back to power at the centre, that is promise that that they will reserve 8% in Govt employment for Muslims. Congress has come to power many times on these lies. So BJP can lie also.

Vote for Developemt Oh Muslims.

M.J. Akbar, a veteran journalist and former lawmaker, puts it more convincingly as follows:

“For sixty years we Muslims have voted out of fear, so fear is what they have got from those they elected: the politics of fear.”

He also says the problem is that Muslims never tried to think of their own leadership.

“Indian Muslims don’t have leaders, they have pleaders. They plead with their mentors for crumbs; and they plead with their electorate once every five years for survival.

“Indian Muslims will get development the day they vote for development.”

What's the guarantee that

What's the guarantee that after Indian army recruits muslim, they will not sell country for money just like Dawood did? What's the guarantee that they will fight a muslim nation (Pak/Bangla) siding with a non muslim nation (India) which is in clear violation of quran? When muslim take birth they swear that they won't go contrary to quran and when they'll be recruited in Indian army they'll have to swear that I will fight against muslims teaming with non-muslims. That's why muslims can't be recruited.

Full MUSLIM Battalions in Army like SIKH???

Army can have FULL MUSLIM Battalions like SIKH. But the same INDIAN MUSLIMS will object if these FULL MUSLIM Battalions are used in attack against Pakistan claiming it to be RSS & BRAHMIN ploy to eliminate Muslims- INDIAN MUSLIM soldiers forced to kill PAKI MUSLIM Soldiers. QUR'AN also prohibits MUSLIMS killing MUSLIMS and so at the critical time- during war- fanatic MUSLIMS like DEOBANDS can issue FATWA against Indian Muslims killing PAKI MUSLIMS which if accepted by some INDIAN MUSLIMS in Army will affect Indian security. All INDIAN MUSLIMS wanting reservation in Army must migrate to Pak or Bangladesh as their army is fully of Indian Muslims- who were Indian Muslims till 1947. Indian Army is 11 Lakh of Hindus, Sikh, Christian, Muslims etc etc while PAKI ARMY 6.5 Lakh + BANGLA ARMY 3.5 Lakh = Total 10 Lakh is fully of INDIAN MUSLIMS till 1947. 11 Lakh Indian Army for 85 Crore Hindus v/s 10 Lakh Indian Muslim Army for 54 Crore Indian Muslims (20 Crore India+18 Crore Pak+ 16 Crore Bangla) is not under representation.

Sorry Mr.Singh but its people

Sorry Mr.Singh but its people like you for whom we Hindu's have to hear all this.You should not make fun of others atleast my religion doesnot preach this, are you really a HINDU...I doubt ?

Terrortism is wrong for ALL.

Killing the innocent is terribly sad and wrong from the strict Islamic point of view, or any religious moral point of view. A man (call him X) can not and should not go and dishonour the daughter of a man (Call him Y) who raped X's daughter, simply because Y's daughter is innocent of what her father did.

But this is what has been happening through out the world. people take law and order into their hands, in Babri Demolition, in Godhra fire, in Post Godhra massacre, in Dawood Ibrahims terrorist attack and in Chechnya where in one instance some Russian soldiers raped a mother in front of her nine year old daughter and the daughter grew up and when she was 18 years of age decided to teach the Russian soldiers a lesson by suicide attack in a cinema theatre filled with Russian soldiers. This is not a cock and bull story but a real story that Russian security knew.

Lesson:

ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSE OF TERRORISM. When there are more slums there are more mosquitoes. Remove the slums and mosquitoes disappear. Let the police get rid of its discrimination, be fair and strict in enforcing the law regardless of the status and the creed of the perpetrator and the victim. Was this done in the case of communal killings in India, for instance in Gujarat massacre or Babri demolition or Bombay killings post Babri demolition.
What is the Muslim representation in police and security and military services in India?

In Gujarat Massacre 99% of the police were Hindus and they were asked to supervise the killing and asked to stop the killings of the innocent.
Ask Manisha Sethi , Dr Mukhu Sinha,or Shoban Saxena or the Gujarat IPS Hindu offficers that Modi hates.

One thing is for sure, one

One thing is for sure, one cant fool the whole world for all the times. Now even a labourer and rickshaw-walla is a salesman and talks of sense. Think
faruqi

The muslim pigs must either

The muslim pigs must either leave for pakistan or stay within their limits.

If they try to islamize the indian army kashmir will be lost.
Then genocide against hindus like in hyderabad and west bengal will start.

Muslim representation in the Indian army

It is outrageous that the Indian army should be constituted with representatives from either this or that religious / ethnic groups. Why should selections not be based on capability and tuning of the candidate, as per the Army's requirements?

What stops Indian Muslims to apply for Army positions and why should any special quota be created that must be only filled up with Muslims? Muslims should sit the necessary exams just like Hindus /Sikhs and if capable, will be selected.

India has to NOW move away from quotas and special status of any ethnic group. Selection whether in the army or medicine or engineering etc. should only be based on capability and only then you will have the best drafting the country's future or we are destined to languish for many more centuries to come