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Eternal,
There is nothing like embedding Farsi words to make Urdu. In fact Hindi has not been a language but the culmination of politics of communalism where the evolving tongues of India were orgnised as Urdu and the Hindu communalists started using devanagari script which has been on the closet for millennia (so no development of sounds like F and Z etc) and forcing Sansrutt words in it. The common man interacted in a language which adopted Farsi script to render it so that sophisticated sounds are also represented. The communal murder of Urdu has been underway to date where people demand that its script be changed and there are people like you who think that languages evolve using a formula. It is like the masala movies of India. So, if you stop using obcure words from the archaic Hindu system and replace them with commonly used words like paani and khaana for water and food instead of the sackrutt words, it becomes Urdu. The substitution you think makes Hindi Urdu is oxymoron because whatever you claim to be Hindi is in fact communalised Indian language of common man called Urdu. Now, do not claim that the egg came first and the hen later.

Anonumous,
Christian using hindi!! You must be joking. It is the usual sugar coated bitter pills to perpetuate the so called hindi which is not hindi (Indian) but Hindu and communal at that. Nobody is against the langauge but the words which come against Urdu are so absurd and coming from so called hindi walas that one is forced to call spade a spade. Another joke is that the hindi you claim to have inhereted is accommodating while the fact is that you need to greet compulsorily as 'nemashker' which tantamounts to bowing to other ala the Creator. There is nothing like 'aadaab' or 'good morning' as in Urdu and English. What accommodation are you talking about? Conversion does not entail one to forgo ones language and thid is proven by almost nill Indian speaking Arabic as first language or for that matter Iran, Afghanistan etc. Write you words after due deliberations.

The very order you wrote on language shows your priorities. When only hindi is the norm in not so Hindi north, TCN is not a sarkari organisation to be in hindi, english and Urdu. the very use of this order of preference is the bane of Urdu. Despite Urdu being the second official language, in Bihar and UP, they summarily refuse to accept communication in English as well. This is simple discrimination. My advice to hindi walas is that they too should keep their language and for that matter relgion to the four cofines of their homes and then ask others. You cant say our religion is culture and other's religion is not religion but private. Stop the double standards and have peace.

One cannot but laugh that 'hindi' in Allamah Iqbal's qaomi-taranah mean the language. hindi hain ham ???? ??? ??????? means we are Hindoostani and has nothing to do with any language. people with such level of knowledge are propped up and pampered as liberal and broadminded to scuttle facts. Saddam Husain was one such liberal and so are many. But it is evident that the mulla's of Iran are curviving. keep speaking bhojpuri and maithili or korku but do not claim hindi to be your and for that matter of Urdu walas. it is a fact that Urdu is a muslim language and is not the only one.

the hindi hain (hai??) mean from hind, the short of hindustan (hindostan). Urdu has nothing to do with muslims, so does the language now called Hindi. nobody is forcing Urdu down your throat if you speak bhojpuri or even sanskrutt. The meaning you take out shows how much educated you are but are militant enough to use this absurd argument of hindi means the language. If you read the history os India, you'd realise why there are so many languages. Before the formation of Urdu, Indians never spoke a language which you can assumed to be hindi. Hindi in fact started when the independence movement got communalised. people insisted on writing everything in devanagri and people like you mouthed it fully without realising the consequence and then have teeth to bad mouth Urdu. The insisance on devanagari and hindu calendar being 'national' stemmed from this very mentality and the partition of the Nation too was due to this. Even the perpetuation of British rule has been a result of cowardice of Hindus who while impotent, regarded all and sundry their saviour. This mentality is still persistent though the white race is waning. The Indian call to rein-in Pakistan or Iran for that matter is the current face.While nobody speaks hindi in rajastan, haryana, himachal, up and bihar and jharkhand, there being prevalent local languages, the communalists made it sure that they are forced to read the Indian Afrikaan now called Hindi. While Urdu is spoken from Tamil Nadu to Kashmeer and Gujarat to AR, you people insist it to being Hindi. The neo-communalism of south india though against the so called hindi language, accepts the same for their hate of Urdu.

So, have brains and then talk. Facts remain fact and being Indian, one must know that 'Truth Always Triumphs'.

Sahil,
It has nothing to do with Arabs but Iran and India are poles apart. It is not only Islam but christianity and Hinduism did same thing to India. However this has been volutary and so there is no problem. please foget that India has been Hindu by default. In fact it has been the depository of the culturs which came here. This is good and we Indian need to be proud of this. The best thing is that Urdu was definitely born here and majority of Indian speak the language. Had it not been for communalisation, Urdu could have become the lingua france of South Asia despite the partition of India. But the rise of Hindu communalism had its ways and this in unfortunate. If India want to be a super power, it needs to adopt Urdu in its totality, the script and culture. Is India ready??

Dear Sahil,
Your observation is unfounded- Persia has a monolithic culture with Farsi as the major language, whereas in India there was no such context (even today, you cannot say Hindi is spoken by majority of people)- Sanskrit had long been forgotten and there were a slew of languages.
In fact, Urdu served as a medium for unifying India and Indians through a common language and culture.

Kya wahiyaat jabaan (Zuba'n) se hi pata chhaljata hai k aapki Jabaan Urdu to hergiz nahi'n ho sakti, but hope U will agree with me taht all the so called Hindi Films are full of Urdu poetry and all those films are thriving only because of using pure Urdu Zaba’n.
But using such a Wahiyaat zaba’n for any language may it be Hindi or else is just wild and menacing.

REALLY THE WOMEN THEY SUFFED SO MANY PROBLEM . TO KNOW THAT HAVING SO MANY LAW RELATED TO HER BUT PROBLEM IS INCRESD DAY BY DAY. AND MOST DANGAU IS RAPE ..

Bhaijaan Assalam Alaikum,
Ji main Mohd. Rijwan Khan, India se,
Mujhe aisa kyun lagta hai ki aap apni jati dushmani us jabaan se nikaal rahe hain jo hindustan ki pahchaan hai, chaliye yeh baat agar ham chorh den toh aapse mera sawal hai, ki hindi aur urdu mein sirf likhne ka farkh agar chorh den toh kya farkh rah jaega, ji ham jo script likhte hain woh kisi bhi zabaan mein ho, lekin hamen samajh mein toh aani chahiye, agar main aapse taarruf kar raha hun toh beshak mujhe apni zabaan ka poora ilm hona chahiye, aur apko usse parne mein koi dikkat naa ho

Aap beshaq apne zabaan ki, apne mayashare ki taarif karen mujhe behad khushi hogi, mujhe hi kyun sabhi ko honi chahiye, lekin jyada se jyada log aapki kahi gayee baat ko samajh sake yeh bhi toh zaroori hai, yeh mumkin tabhi ho sakega jab aap unko apni baat samajha sake, india mein aaj bhi kaafi musalmaan aise hain jinhe urdu ki poori samajh toh hai lekin parhne aur likhne mein bahut dikkaten hain. isliye aise logo ke liye main toh suggest karunga ki jitna ho sake utni language mein websites launch karni chahiye. Don't Take anythink personally.
Allah Hafiz.

Please read the passage rendered below to prove your love for Urdu. I should point out that you have just emotional attachment to urdu but are ignorant enough to use you 'default language' called Hindi writing jubaan for zubaan. Please try to be as intelligent as you act while using English as language. We need not be against anything to set our own things right. We are not against any religion or language but want our own first and then go on to others. How come we teach others when we ourselves are not knowledgeable. It would be like committing harakari if we go talking about Urdu or Islam if we ourselves are not able to know how to write kaafir (qaafir) or what is Imaan.

bhai mujhe qat'ai ilm naheen hai keh aon shakhs Urdu par kitni tawajjoh de raha hai....haan magar hum jis ma'ashre mein rahte hain wahan ALHAMDULILLAH aaj bhi urdu aur khalis urdu hi boli jaati hai.....aur hum ne khabhi hinduon jaisi wahiyaat zabaan ko koi ahmiyat nahi di is liey barae-mehrbani jo koi bhi faisla ho woh urdu ke haq mein hi ho...

It is general observation that on the question of Urdu and Hindi, Tamils are in for Hindi while showing the non-existant limitation of Urdu. Why you think that only Urdu walas and that too Muslims would read Urdu TCN. Here Urdu was not at all involved but people think that it would be better to have a urdu TCN instead of the sarkari language which in fact is not preferred by the very people who are counted among the language people. The north India or majority of Indian you have in mind in fact use their own language and if facts are to be taken, there is nothing like Hindi but the communalisation of politics in the 1920s resulted in Urdu (commonly spoken language of majority of India except the Bengalis and south Indians) being bombarded with obscure words of language which were defunct and impose devanagari script at that. It is this continues short sightedness of people valuing the govt data that we are in such a mess. The making of Hindu calendar as the national one, the restriction of construction of Masajid in the garb of controlling extremism while temples are more than toilets in India showed a double standard and it resulted in effective exlusion of Muslims from all walk of Indian life. You may again say that it was lack of education etc but how much it takes to be a constable or a peon? Moreover, Urdu TCN will bring those who call their language being Urdu back to its fold. More than 99% percent people call Dakni as Hyderabadi Hindi, is it true? Certainly not. Please try understanding the game of communalists who made sure within 12 days of the constitution that caste is the only criteria for reservation and that caste can only be of Hindus or its splinter groups.
I am shamed that you are convener of AIFoMJ and so ignorant. If you cant sympathise with Urdu wala, the Muslims just because you are not a Urdu lover (may be your language is Urdu)do not give weightage to absurd arguments. Moreover, we have leg pullers on English TCN already and those non-Muslims who do are not unbiased will get a platform to show their vitroil if TCN is published in Urdu. It is naive to think that publicising it in all languages with the exception of Udru would make you garner the sympathy of India. You yourself are not sympathetic, how to expect others to do it when their shares are at stake?
PS: If you are not in a position to digest my contention, please try watching Arundhati Roy speaking to Sagarika Ghosh and what the mess our system is. Just be patient and there is not precondition that you should agree with her on all points. She is not a Urdu wala or a Muslim for you not to accept her. Do not overact to show your 'nationalism' because in India nationalism is breaking national property or hating Muslims or banning Urdu and not more than that. We need to remember that others follies are of no use to us except figleaves to denigrate others. Hard work is the only remedy and denigrating things we think belong to others is of no use. Why so special this Hindi should be??

It is general observation that on the question of Urdu and Hindi, Tamils are in for Hindi while showing the non-existant limitation of Urdu. Why you think that only Urdu walas and that too Muslims would read Urdu TCN. Here Urdu was not at all involved but people think that it would be better to have a urdu TCN instead of the sarkari language which in fact is not preferred by the very people who are counted among the language people. The north India or majority of Indian you have in mind in fact use their own language and if facts are to be taken, there is nothing like Hindi but the communalisation of politics in the 1920s resulted in Urdu (commonly spoken language of majority of India except the Bengalis and south Indians) being bombarded with obscure words of language which were defunct and impose devanagari script at that. It is this continues short sightedness of people valuing the govt data that we are in such a mess. The making of Hindu calendar as the national one, the restriction of construction of Masajid in the garb of controlling extremism while temples are more than toilets in India showed a double standard and it resulted in effective exlusion of Muslims from all walk of Indian life. You may again say that it was lack of education etc but how much it takes to be a constable or a peon? Moreover, Urdu TCN will bring those who call their language being Urdu back to its fold. More than 99% percent people call Dakni as Hyderabadi Hindi, is it true? Certainly not. Please try understanding the game of communalists who made sure within 12 days of the constitution that caste is the only criteria for reservation and that caste can only be of Hindus or its splinter groups.
I am shamed that you are convener of AIFoMJ and so ignorant. If you cant sympathise with Urdu wala, the Muslims just because you are not a Urdu lover (may be your language is Urdu)do not give weightage to absurd arguments. Moreover, we have leg pullers on English TCN already and those non-Muslims who do are not unbiased will get a platform to show their vitroil if TCN is published in Urdu. It is naive to think that publicising it in all languages with the exception of Udru would make you garner the sympathy of India. You yourself are not sympathetic, how to expect others to do it when their shares are at stake?
PS: If you are not in a position to digest my contention, please try watching Arundhati Roy speaking to Sagarika Ghosh and what the mess our system is. Just be patient and there is not precondition that you should agree with her on all points. She is not a Urdu wala or a Muslim for you not to accept her. Do not overact to show your 'nationalism' because in India nationalism is breaking national property or hating Muslims or banning Urdu and not more than that. We need to remember that others follies are of no use to us except figleaves to denigrate others. Hard work is the only remedy and denigrating things we think belong to others is of no use. Why so special this Hindi should be??

The question of having TCN in Hindi is basically flawed that this is the reason that majority is opposed to this unsavoru demand. As it is, we have overdose of langauges related to a small group but thrust defining them to be 'National'. If there are people who want to talk to you only in Hindi, in disregard to the 'international' trend you invoked, why on earth should we talk to such people who do not want to communicate in the common langauge 'English'. The opposition to Hindi on TCN is to smash the arrogance of the language wala. We should be educated enough that those who read at public schools and convents are never ready to listen even reasonable things though many times they are bearded and what not. What I mean to say is that we never had anybody demolishing a single church established by the British though there are hardly any christians. Come to other side, there are lot of question like absence of big Muslim population in an area where a Masjid is said to be established. Demolition are done sighting history while we know how the Goan churches are marketed to tourists where history is open of complusion of religion. How many people talk of Mughals and Muslim rulers for their great rule while we find that be it Goa or Pondicherry or even the churches in Dehli and even at far off Gulmarg are shown as signs of a golden period. This is due to dilution of religious practices by Muslims making them just 'rituals' and compromising on languages. While English never used other languages in the system, we tend to accept even sub-regional languages like Dogri over the state languages viz Urdu in Kashmeer. I am not against any language or religion, but we need to value our own things. Why not to use the language of powerfuls like English and if at all we should communicate in other languages, we have many important first languages like Bengali, Tamil and Malayalam, lets do this.

An Indian,

The use of words like diddi for baaji or aapa, jijja for bahnoi and shuddh for khaalis defeats your purpose. The urdu wala would do well, the clamant of being urdu wala here, to stop claiming to be so because their defaults are now Hindi. the people who use Urdu in right spirit are enough and they do not want half hatched chickens to serve the language. This in fact does damage only.
You are in habit of using 'thet' khari lingo like hatayakaari Modi which is common for Urdu newspaper readers especially the Bambai type. to them a person from Mahim is Mahaimi instead of Mahimi, what are his defaults here?
As far as you polls are concerned, remember that TCN is not a govt org where hindi and hinduism must be defaults. rule of a large unreasonables is called as mobocracy. At the most if TCN is there in non-English, is should be in Urdu and other langauges so that we purge ourselves of the later troubles of defining what should be defaults. They would argue that a nemaskare is secular while insisting that 'aadaab' is Muslim. We know well what nemaskare means and how Islamic aadaab is, yes they insist on these lies and claim that this makes India secular. Those who contradict are labelled kattar, the hardliners but we know who actually is. So lets avoid these troubles. Those who want hindi must use the existing things and leave TCN for us. we are not under any govt obligation.

Hindi is not spoken by majority of Indians- English or Urdu is the lingua franca of the country. If TCN still wants to have it in Hindi, the natural question arises why not in Bangla, Tamil, Kannada, Telugu, Malayalam, etc?

Number of people speaking these languages is far more than Hindi, counting all sections- Indian residents/NRIs/PIOs.

Anonymous,

dil peh haath rakh kar haqaeq ugalwane wale saheeh naheen hosakte. main ne bhi Urdu se taleem haasil kee hai aur sare mazameen mein, sirf paas karne ki UP kee Urdu mein naheen. main un se achchhi angrezi likh aur bol leta hoon jinhon ne Eesai madarseh ki 'sifr angrezi' ki qaid mei likhna seekha tha.
zubaan aur taleem ka nata waisa naheen hai jo aap samjhte hain. agar aisa hota to Arab ya Cheen aur Japaan, Frans aur Germany angrez hote. hosh ke nakhoon len aur Hindi walon ko sahoolat har jagah se mile isko dimaagh se nikalen. isi firqah parasti ki nateejah hai keh India aaj 60% bhooka-nanga hai aur teen mumalik hain jo ek doosre par sirf shak kar sakte hain aur kuchh naheen.
TCN angrezi ke elawah agar ho to sirf aur sirf Urdu mein. baad mein Hindi wale yahaan bhi Khashmeer ki tarah minority rights kee baat karenge aur Urdu mein kis mazhab ki istelahaat istemaal hon ispar hi bahas hogi jabkeh asal maqsd kuchh aur hai. gar hindi(devanagri) mein hi parhna hai to bahot site hain, aap unhi par apni rai dijoey aur TCN ko chhoriey.