Should Hajj subsidy be scrapped?
Yes
63% (406 votes)
No
31% (202 votes)
I do not know
6% (36 votes)
Total votes: 644
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Subsidy to Haj yatris
When Govt..can not affird subsidt for LP gas cylinder, why to contribute to this brute trips.
islam doesnt require subsidy for hajj
As per ISLAM subsidy is not required, but still WHY GOVT OF INDIA IS INSISTING OF GIVING HAJ SUBSIDY TO MUSLIM I DONT KNOW, one can ask in RTI, on contarray other question can be raised why govt. is not taking care of muslim education etc, why no job to them in govt dept, etc. SUBSIDY is from govt and we know infact very well know hot JUST IS INDIAN GOVT, to my hindu brother and sister check the other END of subsidy rather than throwing venom on islam. ISLAM doesnt require subsidy for hajj its govt who upholds this veiw go and question them dont raise finger in islam if you have no knowldge pertaining to it.
Scrap Hajj Subsidy
Hajj Subsidy is paid for by all Indians (Hindus, Christians and Muslims) through tax payments to finance 1,50,000 people to go to Mecca. This is utter nonsense. There will be several Muslims who will never get a Hajj Subsidy in their lifetime but will indirectly pay for someone else's Hajj yatra. Instead he can save that tax for himself and go once he has enough money. Hajj Subsidy is corruption and scam by the Congress Govt, Air India and the Hajj Committee. SCRAP HAJJ COMMITTEE. SCRAP HAJJ SUBSIDY.
should we not go ahead
should we not go ahead towards changing the society towards equality and not let people of one religion blackmail or hold others to ransom over old and selfishly portrayed ideas of any religion? to treat each one equal. no caste or religion or upper and lower. just merit.
The name "subsidy" is a sham
The cost of travel between India and Saudi Arabis is 15-20K INR. per person subsidy given by the govt to Air India is 45-80K INR (depending on the location). how can subsidy be more than the actual cost of travel. the truth is AI is a lousy ineffecient airline. and the whole mess of Hajj Bilateral arrangement between India and Saudi Arabis is a whole load of shit. Do you know you can only use AI/Indian or Saudi airlines to go for hajj from India. No fair competition nothing. And to add insult to injury Govt says it provides subsidy? nothing can be more shitty than this.....In fact if subsidy is removed and fair play is allowed the total cost incurred by Pilgrims for Hajj will be lower than the subsidised cost at present.
All agree that....
All agree that the govt need not pay anything for any religious tour and even the communities need not pay for any poor because Haj is a motivation for all, rich or poor to spend. If a poor hopes to perform Haj despite his/her poverty, he/she would do something so that they are able to perform Haj on their own. Parents are supposed to bear their own Haj expenses because the Fifth pillar of Islam need to be observed this way only. Even wife is supposed to be spending her own earning if she travels on Haj. It is another matter if some well meaning person sponsors someone with no strings.
Here in India we have lots of strings attached for Haj travel. If the govt removes the hurdles which it sells as facilities, then the air travel would become affordable and the Hujjaj would actually be able to save a lot. Who would not like to live there at Makkah or Madinah for ten more days if they are getting cheaper air tickets. In fact the compulsion on the govt servants and Hujjaaj tp travel only by Air India is ross discrimination to the Hujjaaj because the govt servants get reimbursement of the tickets while the Muslims have to cough up. In return, they get all the non-sense from all and sundry posing as communalists or seculars and liberals alike. This sham add to the criminal propaganda that Mulsims are appeased while we find that they are always at the receiving end. The concept of level playing field and its absence for Muslims was in fact responsible for vivisection of this country and not the Islamic faith. If these clear sign are not comprehensible to anybody, let him accept that he/she lacks logical thinking.
haj is something which
haj is something which muslims have to do once atleast in their life.I can think of millionaires who go for haj.may be subsidy can be removed for them.but not for those who barely can afford the expenses of travelling/accomodation etc.the state of affaires for muslims is overwhelming and need a lot of attention to overcome the financial difficulties they face.lot of them have backed out due to the financial crunch and by removing the subsidy we would be depriving them from "the have to do things of islam"...may allah help them..
i have never understood, why
i have never understood, why should other indians and also of other religions, pay for muslims for their obligations. it s not right. our govt is stupid and with no spine to fight the evils that existed and need to be changed now. earlier ones were stupid now they are more
Haj subsidy for survival of ailing AIR INDIA Maharaja
Hajj subsidy is actually meant for survival of "ailing" AIR INDIA Maharaja.
AIR INDIA Maharaja provides free liquor to passengers on other sectors and maybe gets dosed from FREE-LIQUOR. To wake-him and recover from intoxication, Hajj Flights to Jeddah are necessary.
Even in 2010, when jet-fuel price is high - Air India can purchase jet-fuel at a less price @ Jeddah Airport, than other AIR-INDIA destinations, even after considering EMPTY (or FERRY) RETURN.
I hope dis-illusioned readers and those opposing, understand the concept and logic behind Hajj Subsidy.
Amamazed.
HAJJ subsidy
The assertion of MUSLIMS that the subsidy is to Indian Airlines is just "escapism" to console themselves that by accepting subsidy the are NOT violating SURAH 3/97 of QUR'AN on HAJJ - "Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah, Those who can afford the journey". So anybody accepting subsidy implicitly accept that they "can NOT afford the HAJJ journey" which violates QUR'AN and since even rich MUSLIMS accept the HAJJ subsidy, they want to absolve themselves of the violation of QUR'AN by consoling themselves that "subsidy is to Air Lines" and NOT to HAJJ pilgrims.
You seems to be the student
You seems to be the student of comparative religion haven't you raid about Holy quorans mandate about patriotism with the country where you are residing in.. Quoran Says follow the rules of the country where yor reside and this the rule of this country that they provide subsidy for pilgrimage which is practically untrue looking the high cost of Hujj and the facilities provided by indian govt and saudi govt.. current hujj price is 1.25 Lacs. what should be the Airfare for the path where 435 planes flown from India with bulk of Hujj travellers if Govt open the airline option comptetor will offer not more than Rs. 10 Thousands for Up and Down airfare. AirIndia Costs more 30 Thousands huh is this subsidy.. and food and hotel there in Saudi.. every hujj pilgrim has to cook or arrange by himself. 1 room and 8 person. do u think Hujj pilgrims gets the return of 1.25 Lacs....
If hujj Pilgrimage become independent one person can perform hujj 2 times in same amount.. so where is Subsidy we the Proud Muslims are paying 2 times more than the justified amount.. but still we go to Hujj this our Faith in Allah and his Beloved Messenger..
Learn and understand Quoran before you refer to versus and argue with a scripture which is god given to human kind for their betterment here on the earth and after...
HAJJ- Knowledge at finger tip
The internet has made it possible for knowledge to be at finger tip. Just GOOGLE.
-- HAJJ BUDJET Package (15-17 days, 4 in one room ) from Pakistan, which has banned HAJJ SUBSIDY being UNISLAMIC is Pak Rs 3,45,000/ which is equivalent to Indian Rs 1.95
-- Same for 25-27 day HAJJ (4 per room) which most Indians go with govt subsidy is Pak Rs 6,25,000 = 3.6 Lakh Indian Rs.
-- Indian Airports are further away from Saudi Arabia than Pak airports and so air tickets will be costlier. So with out subsidy INDIAN MUSLIMS would be paying minmum Rs 3 to 3.5 Lakh.
-- Know Qur'an??? MUSLIMS claim their religion is of great equality. Then why are RICH HAJJIS accommodated in FIVE STAR in MACCA while poor HAJJIS are pushed in 8 per room?? Why can't the ISLAMIC EQUALITY be exhibited at HAJJ??
GOVT SUBSIDY FOR HAJ
SALAM
NO NEED GOVT SUBSIDY FOR HAJ, SHOULD ASK FOR MUSLIM EDUCATION AND SUPPORT TO REMOVE SOCIAL BACKWARDNESS
NO WAKF PROPERTY OR INCOME SHOULD BE USED OTHER PURPOSE ...
GIVING SHARE TO GOVT IT OK ... BUT GOVT DO LITTLE FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT> HAJ COMMUNITY MUST CONCENRATE OTHER SOCIAL ACTIVIES IN NON PEAK TIME (Unseasonal time work for UMMAH)
WASALLAM
Hajj Subsidy : Give More to Hajjis
Demand for more 'subsidies' from the government. It is the duty of the government of India.
Millions of people are paying to the government and Air India is looting from the People. No more Looting. Pay the Hajjis more 'subsidies'.
Otherwise arrange a most modern ships to travel for Hajj. Millions will be ready to travel by Hajj. Going to Mecca and Medina for Hajj is the dream of INDIAN muslims.
Indian government should support them.
Why?
Why should govt support them? Isn't it the duty of your fellow muslims to take care. Even if it is ok to support only the poorest of the poor, it should not give a single paise to middle and upper classes. India is not a rich like your Saudi who are all minting money during the Hajj tourism.
Paying taxes is foolish argument. Taxes paid to the govt are to be used for the betterment of the community and not on religious grounds. Yes, protest against govt or your local MIM leader if he is not doing anything for the improvement of lives of poor muslims, which was promised before elections.
no it is not the duty of
no it is not the duty of govt. and there should not be given any subsidy to hajjis, because the person who is willing to go for hajj should bare the cost and not the government, we have not seen any time that a person wants to go any where for rituals or recreation in the world should not be granted any help from the govt. because the problem of religious arise thereafter and the problem aroses
Indian Govt should increase the Subsidy
M/s.trushul and giri,
Indian government or Air India has no right to cheat the Indian Muslims. The Air fare should be brought down by 50%. If can't do the justice, the subsidy should be increased.
This is India, where Justice should prevail.
Prathiba
Haj Subsidy
May be peace upon you!
Haj is the one of Pillar in Islam, Muslim Billianors/capable person must do it. Why should look subsidy... Govt just want show up the same way they distribute fund to others, indirectly fellow muslims support for malpractice/unethic things.
Who support govt subsidy for Haj .... Should ask question If some one give cash from Bar/Disco cash counter or like Kingfisher owner did he go to Haj with this Haram Money
Who support Govt Subsidy for Haj ... should ask question if some one give cash of Money earned from Interest or drugs selling ...di he go to Haj is it acceptable ....
Please think, Our Parlimentarians and Assembly Members, Muslim NGO start campaing/Talk for Education, Job & Community upliftmant ... Work hard and reach position where we can held and donate more and More ... Please don't beg Rasie hand Ask Almighty to be merciy on you.
May Allah shower with His mercy to all upon his belivers
haj subsidy 1 time only
Haj subsidy should be given to a person for 1 in his lifetime. B'coz single haj is must. Also maximum haji's from India are from middle or lowerclass. who can afford haj 1 time only even after subsidy. People who perform more haj's are comparatively of good financial condition.
Also 1 time subsidy result more new haji's means more chance for people.
Why MUSLIMS don't Finance HAJ subsidy with ZAKAT????
Why MUSLIMS don't Finance HAJ subsidy with ZAKAT???? Why should TAXPAYERS money be used for providing subsidy of HAJ. The claim that Muslims also pay tax will not justify it as all the facilities of the nation provided for by TAX is utilised by citizens of religions alike.
Muslims can collect ZAKAT and do as they please with it including providing subsidy to HAJ.
Hajj with the money of
Hajj with the money of zakat is not allowed, i think...
Govt should make hajj department as private entity like BCCI,,there should be open tenders for the flights,, open tenders to all the airlines of world....
The airlines ready to be on least rent should get the chance to make arrangement for the journeys of hajis...
And this will be much cheaper even without a penny subsidy from govt...
But i know govt would not allowed this,, coz nobody in the world can give 1 lakh passengers to poor govt airlines...so for govt,, hajj journey is a double beneficial thing,, one the toy of subsidy to muslims and other the profit from the journey..
And about equality in tax,,, Kailash mansarovar yatri gets RS 3240 /- per head as subsidy..
Farhan khan-Concession on bulk purchase of airtickets for HAJJ!
Farhan khan- You are a fool if you believe that MUSLIMS will get concession on bulk purchase of air tickets for 1.5 LAKH Indian HAJJ pilgrims.
-- The planes flying to SAUDI with HAJJ pilgrims will have to return empty as although the HAJJ is only for 5-6 days the HAJJIS have to reach 20-25 days in advance to complete "emigration". Hence return journey of pilgrims will commence only 30-35 days after arrival of HAJJIS. So the PRIVATE AIR LINES will charge HAJIS both way fare.
-- After the HAJJ, all the planes coming to SAUDI for returning HAJIS will have to fly empty as the planes are unlikely to find such a large number of passengers who want to fly to SAUDI at the same period.
-- Some private airlines may be providing concessional fare now to 10000-15000 HAJIS who avail private facility but if all the 1.5 LAKH Indian HAJJ pilgrims opt for private airlines the cost of tickets will shoot up, just like the cost of international price of SUGAR/WHEAT will shoot up if India were to decide to import the commodity.
-- So as stated by many, the HAJJ subsidy must be stopped as the MUSLIMS availing the facility are "ungrateful" and keep insisting that the subsidy is for Air India. Muslims must be made to fend for themselves for at least ONE- TWO years so that they realise the service rendered by India to HAJJIS which even SAUDIs do NOT provide.
--SAUDI Govt could declare an "emigration" free period for HAJJ which will reduce the time pilgrims will have to spend at HAJJ. Since the HAJJ is for 5-6 days only HAJJIS can fly in just TWO days before the day of HAJJ and return within TWO days after the HAJJ reducing the HAJJ period to 10-11 days in place of the 30-35days period now. THE POOR MUSLIMS OF INDIA WILL HAVE T0 PAY THAT MUCH LESS FOR HOTEL, FOOD ETC at MACCA but SAUDIS will not do it as their earnings will go down. SAUDIS TREAT HAJJ AS TOURISM AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MAXIMUM MONEY.
emigration for hajj
Dear Mr. A.K. Nair / Singh,
You may be not aware that the hajj pilgrims who comes from the Gulf (Kuwait, U.A.E, Qatar etc., will return after five to six days. So where is the question of "emigration ". May be you had not travelled outside your village that is why you doesn’t know about the immigration, it will not take few minutes on the Airport, once you had a valid visa. Regarding the rent of the accommodation it will be seasonal; it will be same if you stay for one week or a month. You may not be aware that Indian hajjis are the one who will stay the longest, all other people will go away maximum in one month and Indians will stay for forty to forty five days, the reason is Air India doesn’t have that capacity to handle so many passengers at a time.
Regarding the Hajj subsidy please refer the speech of Barister Mr. Asad Uddin Owaisi M.P. of Hyderabad in the Parliament you will Know the facts. Ask the government to implement his recommendations.
Moash - no emigration for GULF ARABS but Indian MUSLIMS???
Moash -
There may be NO emigration for GULF ARABS from Kuwait, U.A.E, Qatar etc but are the Indian MUSLIMS treated with the same "respect" by the ARAB MUSLIMS. Many MUSLIMS from India go on HAJJ and "beg" there and do the GULF MUSLIMS want Indian BEGGING Muslims to stay on there permanently? The GULF "upper caste" MUSLIMS treat India Muslims as slaves- worst that "lower caste Muslims".
Many Muslims have writen about the great benifit India acrue from GULF REMITTENS. But the reason for the remittens is NOT patriotim but the rule that Indian Muslims can NOT "acquire property" in GULF countries because the GULF MUSLIMS do not want proliferation of "low caste Indian Muslims" in Gulf.
Let Indian Muslims try getting tickets for the 1.5Lakh Indian HAJJIS and see how the price of tickets will become exorbitant. No air line will be agree to fly planes "empty" to get all the 1.5Lakh HAJJIS out. TRY IT FOR JUST ONE YEAR AND SEE THE FUN. IF YOU DARE LET A FATWA BE ISSUED THAT HAJJIS WILL NOT AVAIL AIR INDIA FLIGHTS JUST FOR ONE YEAR -say 2011 and try arranging private charted flights for all the HAJJIS.
Haj Subsidy should be scrapped
Haj subsidy should be done away with on the follwing grounds;-
1)Haj subsidy in form consession to haj pilgrims is considered as a assistance received from Government which is treated as an appeasement to Muslim community.
2) In place of Haj subsidy, Haj authorities should approach on behalf of pilgrims to any airline for availing of discountfacility for purchaing the air tickets. Bulk purchase of air tickets, say, one lakh, will certainly be beneficial to the pilgrims in form of handsome discounts in the competitive air line business.
3) Haj subsidy is generally, availed of by well off segment of society and common major segment of the community is poor and lower middle class.They are not bebefitted by availing of Haj subsidy form Government. The leaders of our community should make sincere efforts by way of pleading earnest request to the Government for implemetation of Various Govt's economic, social, educational schemes for large benefits of major segments of downtroden and unprevileged/underprevileged portion of community.
In view of the aforesaid points, I feel that the Haj subsidy should be scrapped.
Yes for HAJ Subsidy
Yes for HAJ Subsidy
WHY?
It is right that subsidy is for deprived section, but hu is telling that deprived sections r not going for Haj.
Majority of People going for Haj from India r going only once in their whole life and they belong to lower middle class.
Majority of the people going for Haj, they save the money through out their life and spend that money for Haj.
Haj for Hajis is not a luxury item but a neccesity for their spiritual life as food or water for physical life.
A number of muslims r paying taxes in Income tax and in form of other tax to govt., if govt. is giving some amount from that for haj subsidy nothing is bad in this from my point of view.
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If u think that haj should not be subsidised , then think of majority of poor class in India. if a poor gets chance to go at a subsidised rate so why he wont go.
Because of subsidy many muslims will go for haj from india,
And majority of population in india is from backward class.
And a subsidy is required because every indivual pays tax to government, let it be on consumable products, or transport or petrol. so an individual pays tax to government any which ways.
So government should be curtius to provide subsidy
ایسی کوئی بات ہینہی ہے۔
دراصل چھوٹ یا دعایت نام کی چیز حاجیوں کیلئے تھی نہی ہے۔ البتہ یہ انتظام ہے کہ عوام حج کو نہ جاسکیں اور اگر جاناہے تو حکومت کے زیر نگرانی۔ میں نے اکثر حجاج کو جن کی کوئی دلجسپیییی سیاست سے نہیں تھی دیکھا ہے کہ وہ آتے ہیںںںں اپنا اور پاکستانی حجاج کا مقابلہ کرنے لگتے ہیں۔یہ سراسر انفرای خرچ پر کسی مانگ سے بچنے کا حکومتی پروپیگنڈہ ہے۔ اور آپ کو اس ملک میں نہیں رہنا ہے کی دھمکی ہے۔ اگر حکومت اپنی ٹانگ اڑانے کی بجائے کسی دوسرے کام میں لگآئے تو اچھا ہوگا۔ مسلمان خود حج کا انتظام کرلیں گے اور الزامات کا ٹوکرا بھی نہیں ہوگا ان کے سر۔ مذہب پر سیاست کو لادنا ظلم ہے اوریہ ظلم صرف مسلمانوں پر ہی ہورہا ہے۔
حج سے حکومت کی مداخلت ہٹائی جائے۔
حومت ہند نے حجاج کیلئے کچھ خاص خر کی ہے نہ ہی کوئی انتظام۔ حجاج بھی اسی طرح حج کا سفر کریںگے اگر حکومت ان کو آزاد کردے!۔ جو بھی برسر اقتدار رہے ہیں انہوں نے ہمیشہ مسلمانوں کے مذہبی معاملات میں مداخلت کی ہے۔ ان میں شاہ بانو معاملہ بھی شامل ہے۔ سیاسی جماعتوں کا اسطرح مذہب میں دخل دینا خلاف آین قدم ہے اور اس پر طرح یہ کہ ان کے پاس وعدہ تو ہوتا ہے لیکن جب عمل کی بات تی ہے تو نظم حکومت میں حلاف ورزیاں شروع ہوجاتی ہیں اور نوبت اور ہمت یہاں تک کی جاتی ہے کہ ایک وزیر وزیراعظم کا حکم نہیں مانتا۔ دکھ تو اس وقت ہوتاہے جب کہیں کسی جگہ سے اس پر تشویش کا اظہار نہیں ہوتا یہاں تک کہ دفتر وزیراعظم سے بھی نہیں۔ کا ایسامکن ہے یا صاحب اقتدار کا منشا ہی یہی تھا؟
hajj and subsidy
Democracy mae hukumate munafa kamane ke alawa madad bhi karti hae lakin subsidy milna chahiye mulk ke us bhukhe log aur us majdoor ko jo roz mar raha hae. subsidy hajj ke liye lene se diye gaye rakam ko hukumat baad mae ham hi se lena shoori kar deti hae aur hame maloom bhi nahi chalta. muft mae sarkare wah wahi lot kar musalmano ka masiha ban ne ka dawa karti hae. goverment jab subsidy deti hae to us rakam ko kahi na kahi se use phir pura karna hota hae. aur eh rakam ham se hi tex aur mahgayi ke bahane wasooli jati hae. Mahfuz Alam.
sr.corspondent
haj subsidy?
Every Muslim (male and female) who has come of age and has the means to undertake the Haj pilgrmage and the needed physical stamina to withstand the strain and stress is obliged to perform Haj once in life time. This is the dictat of Islam. How, then one could accept the subsidy?By accepting that financial help, does he not disqualify himself?
Haj subsidy a subject of controversy
Haj subsidy has been a subject of controversy for quite some time- Hindus accusing it of proof of MUSLIM appeasement while MUSLIMS claiming it be a subsidy to AIR INDIA and NOT to them. Some MUSLIM fanatics also has been insisting that receiving Govt funds for HAJ is against ISLAMIC teachings on HAJ. So it would be better if the "utilisation of Govt Fund for performing religious pilgrimage out side India" is done away with.
It can not be linked to Govt spending on KUMB MELA, URS at Ajmeer, Amarnath Yatra etc as providing civic amenities and protection to citizens of India for religious activity within India is the responsibility of Govt of India. Similarly Saudi Arabia also must be spending "billions" every year to provide protection and civic amenities to HAJ pilgrims who visit Saudi Arabia.
You are doing good job. Keep
You are doing good job. Keep it up.
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