Urdu speaking "Tamil Muslims" of Vellore, Tamil Nadu




By Shafee Ahmed Ko, TwoCircles.net

Some of my North Indian friends arrived from Delhi to Chennai for a tour of Vellore Dist (Formerly: North Arcot Dist) to visit some of the shoe and leather industries at Ambur and Vaniyambadi.

I had to lead four of them who could not understand the local dialect. Every where we went, we enjoyed the warmth of hospitality and, Urdu spoken was invariably in a quite queer some but pretty enjoyable. In one of the factories we were offered tea in a jar like cup, and when it was too much I said,” Nakko……Nakko…..uththa Nakko”,meaning “thoda kaafi Hey” –Okay small is enough. One of my friends of north India had recorded all peculiar terms. In other occasion it was, “Uno ab Aangay nai kaththay……saban aangay kaththay”, meaning that, “fellow does not come now, he will come tomorrow”. We hurried to baron’s house and, we had good lounge to relax and to wait. A small boy peeped in and said,” Abbajee pani naalokku hein. Aaaththain Bolay” meaning father is bathing in water and “will come now” meaning to wait for a little while. One of my friends asked me in chaste Urdu,”How can he bathe in "milk" obviously it is by water…..translating “Pani Naalokku Hein?” Yes, the Urdu is being in such a way and so is Tamil both go intrinsically. One can say it a slang or colloquial but none bothers.

The impact of regional language Tamil is so a strong and off setting that the Urdu language got a hold and mutilated. If any one speaks in unsullied Urdu, he/she must be on the public speaking platform or he/she has all set friends from North to speak in chaste form.




"Muhammad Ali Khan, the Nawab of Arcot and the Carnatic" (1770), Tilly Kettle, in the V&A, London [Photo by Jamie Barras]

We all wondered how Urdu language became a compulsive order for Muslims whose mother tongues ought to be Tamil. No doubt Tamil is the mother tongue of Labbai (Labbaik) Muslims because their sur names all start from Tamil origin. For example the sur names (family names as in Kerela) such as Nattamkar (Nattai aanmai karar, meaning ruler of the region) Chinna Pakkir (Petty Beggar),

Kandirikkar (Kanda podikkarar, meaning-Kandagam podi- Sulphur powder maker –more precisely fire cracker manufacturer) Vanakkar (Banam karar-fire crackers) Chin Gani (Wee Ghani), Jalladai karar (Sieve maker) Oosi Veedu (Home where needles are sold) Aanaikar(Mahout) Kotlu karar (the people who sell cots), Pambu Kannu (Snake’s Eye)Yey.Paa,Tamil Alphabet meaning Yezhu Paanai (Seven Pots) Valaiyal Karar(Bangle makers). Almost all the Labbai community has surnames of Tamil origin denoting that their mother tongues presumably should be Tamil. Six or seven decades ago elders spoke only in Tamil at Ambur, Vaniyambadi, and Vellore. Even today the Labbais of Pernampet, Valathoor, Melpatti, Visharam etc.are speaking in broken but their offspring speak in Urdu.

One more set of Muslims, Dhakkanis(from Deccan ) have no surnames. Father’s name acts as surname and their mother tongue obviously is Urdu. But there is no distinguishable difference in the spoken Urdu between Labbais and Dhakkanis. It’s appreciable waves that inter Labbai and Dhakkani marriages are taking place. And good renaissance in offing in understanding that “One Kalima and One Allah” is the main concept of Islam. More wed locks have been in vogue between these two sets.

It has been bugging in my mind to persevere in a sense of strict decorum how come that Urdu has crept in the majority of Tamil speaking pelt such North Arcot especially Ambur,Vaniyambadi,Tirupattur.

It has history. Tippu Sultan, the grim freedom fighter of India,who admitted no compromise, ruled from Vellore. Chanda Sahib had fought in Ambur (Battle of Ambur). Both might have brought their armies to Ambur. There is a hillock evidently nearby Ambur, Hillock of Omarabad. Even now the barracks are there atop the hillock. This army (Lashkar) might have stayed a longer period speaking Urdu in Vellore and Ambur. There were four light-bearing stones in the main bazaar of Ambur to commemorate the visiting spot of Tippu Sultan. And this is no more in the sight.

Apart from this fact Arcot Nawab had ruled Walajah, Arcot (Aaru + Kaadu= River and Forest) for a longer period and implying Urdu to find a convenient language for the mass.




Present Prince of Arcot Nawab Mohammed Abdul Ali [ TCN photo]

Most of the Labbais are known to be the converts from the south west, south east coastal right from Andhra Pradesh and, above all the trading immigrant Arabs were intense in Malabar, Kerela. The Kerela Muslims do not speak Urdu or Arabic but their physical structures are more akin to the Arabs, quite fair in colour and robustness, suggestive inter Arab marriages. Similar to Tamil Labbai Muslims, Muslims from Kerela also have sur names. These Muslims from Kerela might have married adjacent areas of Tamil Muslims and people of their choice.

Labbais of Tamil area were frequenting to Deccan neighborhood for the traditional business of skin, beedi leaves, tanning barks and marketing beedis. They either settled or brought spouses to Tamil area to breed Urdu. In other word, there were families migrated to these quarters and vice versa.

All the more, Urdu medium schools had been founded nearly a century ago in Vaniyambadi, Ambur, Vellore and Islamic Lessons (Deeniyat) became a compulsory from the parent and only after reciting the whole Holy Quran the boys or girls were computed whether fit for admission into a proper school. This also paved a good way for the revival of Urdu propagation. It really sounds good but in the present day scenario, an English Convent determines the future of students, and parents are pleased when ward speaks in English, especially in front of the guests, but what remains as a fact is, "it is reinforced year after year". Unlike the olden Muslim dedicated elites, those schools run as convent types are either lack clarity of the subjects or exclusively orthodox where there is a job to learn stressfully Arabic and English.

To speak concisely, Islamiah High School, Islamiah College, Madrasa-e-Niswan Vaniyambadi, Mazharul-uloom-high school, Mazharul-uoom-College, Hasnathus Jaria Girls’ High School, and college greatly rendered for the development of Urdu language.

Past three decades young men participate in Tabligue Jamaat. The Urdu erudite scholars arrive Ambur,Vaniyambadi,Vellore and conduct "Dawa" tours regularly. Most of the discourses are in Urdu. These young men also participate in oratory talent in Urdu. In Vellore, the century old Baquiathus Salihath,an Arabic School, has been rendering Islamic teaching in Urdu. These factors might be an added virtue for the development of the language in the area.

Ambur has remarkable history in producing Urdu scholars like Danish Farazi, an All India renowned poet, whose books are recognized by the government of India, Kavesh Badri, Kaukab, Raghib are some of the ardent Urdu poets widely known among the Urdu fraternity of India. There were regular “Mushaira”, poetic forums running whole of night. Alas, these great souls are all no more, leaving the locale in desiccated state.

Despite critics, people speak,”Kiya Ona” –meaning “What do you want”, I can only say,“Bahuth Shukriya, Badi meharbani”, great, thanks-Good hospitality!

Comments

salaam, many of the

salaam,
many of the colloquial urdu sentences have been wrongly written or mistranslated.

Nawab Mohamed Ali Walajah ruled the carnatic region and not walajah region has mentioned. The lingua franca in the nawab's court was persian and not urdu or tamil.
Apart from this fact Arcot Nawab had ruled Walajah, Arcot (Aaru + Kaadu= River and Forest) for a longer period and implying Urdu to find a convenient language for the mass.

اردو کی بدقسمتی

یہ اردو کی بدقسمتی ہےکہ یہ مسلمانوں کی زبان ہے اور چاہے کوئی کشمیر کے لداخ سے ہم یا مدراس کی وانمباڑی سے، ذہنیت غلامانہ ہے۔ ان شفی احمد کو کو ہی لی لیجئے، ان کی خیالیاتی زبان تمل ہی ہے اور اس پر یہ اپنے آپ کو قدامت پسنداردو والا کہلوانا پسند نہیں کرتے اور پھر اردو کے انحطاط کا رونا بھی روتے ہیں۔ ان کے اس مضمون کے اردو معیار سے اندازہ لگا لیجئے۔ مسلمانوں نے ایمان کو صرف نام نہاد تبلیغ پر دھر مارا ہے اور بہی وجہ ہے کہ کئی لوگ ان کے اچھے مقاصد کے باوجود ان سے دور بھاگتے ہیں۔ چند لوگ اردو کو غیر مسلمان زبان کہیں گے لیکن ان کو معلوم ہو کہ وہ زمانے لد گئے ہیں اور اگر اڈوانی کی طرح کوئی اردو جانتا بھی ہے تو وہ اپنی فرقہ پرستی چلاتا ہے تا پھر سرکاری امداد مسلمانوں تک نہ پہنچے اسکی خاطر اردو کا استعمال کرتا ہے یا پھر اردو کو ذک پہنچانے کیلئے۔ گنگا جمنی تہذیب کے زمانے شاید پھر سے آئیں لیکن دور حاضر میں اس پر وقت لگانا بے وقوفی ہے۔ یہ بات باد دکھیں کہ میری دشمنی کسی زبان، ذات یا مذہب سے نہیں ہے بلکہ اس کڑوی حقیقت کو سوچتے ہوئے مجھے بھی دکھ ہوتا ہے۔
اگر لفظ کونونٹ کو با ایمان بن کر سوچیں تو ان کو یہ معلوم ہوجائیگا کہ اسمیں کسی فرقہ یا مذہب کی مخالفت یا دشمنی نہیں ہے بلکہ مسلمانوں کی مبینہ زبوں حالی کے مرض کی تشخیص ہے۔ تشخیص کے بعدہی علاج ہوتا ہے یہی حکمت ہے۔ میں اس جستجو میں ہوں کہ ایک مدرسہ ایک اسکول قائم کروں کہ لوگوں کا ایمان اس بات پر پختہ ہوجائے کہ اردو اور مسلمان ہونے سے تعلیم میں رخنہ نہیں ہوتا بلکہ مذہب اور زبان تو صرف ایک ذریعہ ہیں۔ کیا ہم ایمان کی خاطر کچھ نہیں کرنا چاہتے؟ کیا ایمان کے بغیر کوئی دعا قبول ہوتی ہے؟

All the native Muslims of

All the native Muslims of North Arcot district speak Urdu without any exception. A majority of them can also read and write Urdu. There cannot be any community in the world which has learnt another language for the sake of Islam at the cost of its own mother tongue. I don't know if it is right or wrong. But it is the fact. The Muslims in this district preferred Urdu to understand Islam properly.

Muslims have established many elementary, higher secondary and matriculation schools and colleges for men and women where Urdu is taught.

I can say with confidence that Urdu is spreading in North Arcot district when even in places like Delhi, Lucknow, Kanpur, etc. there is decrease in the interest for Urdu among people. I have seen North Indian Muslims writing and receiving letters in Hindi (among family members)But I have not seen any Muslim in North Arcot district writing letters in Hindi to their families. They mostly write in Urdu. Their Urdu language is also not as bad as portrayed in the article under reference. Of course there may be some who talk like that. The dialect quoted by the writer is also followed by the people of Andhra Pradesh in villages.

I don't think the businessmen who come to South India do not know " Nakko……Nakko…..uththa Nakko " This type is spoken even in North India. I have seen many North Indians using words like " Nakko, uththa, kiththa, etc. After all Urdu is a mixture of different languages - Urdu aek lashkari aur jadeed zuban hai. Hindi aur Urdu zubanein mukhtalif tareekhay say boli jati hein. Maslan Adwaniji aur Mayawatiji ki bhashaon mein zameen aasman ka faraq hai.

There are many Urdu writers and poets in the North Arcot district and Tamil nadu who are well known in the circle of the Urdu speaking people everywhere in the country.

Do the North Indian Muslims speak chaste Urdu? My feeling is that their language is either Hindi or Hindustani. Urdu is alive in Arabic institutions like Darul Uloom, Deoband and Nadwathul Ulema, Lucknow. We salute them for their services.

Finally as the article under reference is about North Arcot Muslims, I would like to say that Muslims are courteous here and their language is soft, sweet and disciplined by and large. There is communal harmony here. They are in good terms with other religious people and all live like brothers here.

Let it be clear to all that in every masjid in the North Arcot district Jumma sermons are given in chaste Urdu by learned scholars most of whom now hail from the same district.

All the native Muslims of

All the native Muslims of North Arcot district speak Urdu without any exception. A majority of them can also read and write Urdu. There cannot be any community in the world which has learnt another language for the sake of Islam at the cost of its own mother tongue. I don't know if it is right or wrong. But it is the fact. The Muslims in this district preferred Urdu to understand Islam properly.

Muslims have established many elementary, higher secondary and matriculation schools and colleges for men and women where Urdu is taught.

I can say with confidence that Urdu is spreading in North Arcot district when even in places like Delhi, Lucknow, Kanpur, etc. there is decrease in the interest for Urdu among people. I have seen North Indian Muslims writing and receiving letters in Hindi (among family members)But I have not seen any Muslim in North Arcot district writing letters in Hindi to their families. They mostly write in Urdu. Their Urdu language is also not as bad as portrayed in the article under reference. Of course there may be some who talk like that. The dialect quoted by the writer is also followed by the people of Andhra Pradesh in villages.

I don't think the businessmen who come to South India do not know " Nakko……Nakko…..uththa Nakko " This type is spoken even in North India. I have seen many North Indians using words like " Nakko, uththa, kiththa, etc. After all Urdu is a mixture of different languages - Urdu aek lashkari aur jadeed zuban hai. Hindi aur Urdu zubanein mukhtalif tareekhay say boli jati hein. Maslan Adwaniji aur Mayawatiji ki bhashaon mein zameen aasman ka faraq hai.

There are many Urdu writers and poets in the North Arcot district and Tamil nadu who are well known in the circle of the Urdu speaking people everywhere in the country.

Do the North Indian Muslims speak chaste Urdu? My feeling is that their language is either Hindi or Hindustani. Urdu is alive in Arabic institutions like Darul Uloom, Deoband and Nadwathul Ulema, Lucknow. We salute them for their services.

Finally as the article under reference is about North Arcot Muslims, I would like to say that Muslims are courteous here and their language is soft, sweet and disciplined by and large. There is communal harmony here. They are in good terms with other religious people and all live like brothers here.

Let it be clear to all that in every masjid in the North Arcot district Jumma sermons are given in chaste Urdu by learned scholars most of whom now hail from the same district.

URDU SPEAKING "TAMIL MUSLIMS" OF VELLORE DIST,TAMIL NADU : REVIS

This is a satirical writing with a tinge of humour.The article focuses on how has Urdu spawned greatly and fizzled out Tamil which, nearly six decades ago spoken as mother tonugue, in an area whose impact and influence of Tamil language should have proved antagonist and susceptible to Tamil. The various surnames mentioned are of Tamil origin, suggestive of those forefathers had been speaking in Tamil as mother tongue. But advents of rulers like Tippu Sultan, Chanda Sahib, and Arcot Nawab, of course who ruled the Carnatac, and many “Deeniyat” schools might have influenced the Urdu language to take a hold in North Arcot Dist. Also mention is there although the Islam rooted in few parts of North West Coastal Kerala, Urdu has less application there as spoken Urdu. They speak only Malayalam. Nothing is derided in the article. None of the language existing in the world is spoken as bookish. Urdu when spoken in North Arcot, it has a slang intonation, and phonetics rather to say a colloquial one. So is in Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka and other locales. But Urdu in UP, Kashmir is sweet. Advanijee speaks pleasant language, Ambika Sonijee speaks well. Perhaps list will be lengthened.
Of course Urdu has no Mazhab, religion. It is “Lashkari” language.Persian, Arabic, Sanskrit all mingled together”. But Urdu is regretfully politicized. One should not forget how Urdu telecast in Karnataka was once so vehemently opposed.

I would like to share an oft

I would like to share an oft repeated "Latheefa" in brief here:

A Lucknowi visited Hyderabad and asked somebody "Kya yah Salar Museum janay ka raasta hai?" He said "hao". The Lucknowi could not understand it and asked several people the same question and received the same reply "hao" from everybody. Finally he approached a person who looked "gentleman" and said " Janabe aali, naacheez ki ek darkhast hai, mein jissay bhi poochta hoon ki "kya yah rasta Salar Museum jata hai toe sabhi yahi farmaatein hain "hao". Is "hao" ka kya matlam hai?

He said " dar asal baat yah hai ki yahan kay loag jo ghair taleemyafta hotein hain woh "haan" ko "hao" kahtay hain. Yah rasta museum jaata hai. aap seethey jaaeyay aur saamnay jo badi imaarat nazar aarahi hai wahi museum hai. aap masha Allah museum kay bahut qareeb hain".

The Lucknowi said " Aap say milker bayhad musarrat hui. Hum toe aap kay bahut mamnoon aur mashkoor hain. Jazakallah. Aap toe Maasha Allah bahut taaleemyafta nazar aatein hain?

The Hyderabadi replied "hao"!!!

URDU SPEAKING TAMIL MUSLIMS OF VELLORE DIST,TAMIL NADU : A REAL

Mr.V.M.Khaleelur Rahman has now come closer to an accepted wisdom. “Ek Gaun ki boli, doosri Gaun ki Gaali" is an old saying. Mr.Rahman's zeal and fervour for Urdu is appreciable.But it should be for self contentment.
His information that Jumaa Namaaz Bayans are held invariably in Urdu in Chennai is though acceptable, there was a little bustling fuss about it. Few mosques in Chennai are in protest that Jumma Sermon (Bayan) should be in Tamil since devotees from adjoining circle 80% cannot understand Urdu. It was so decided 50% of sermon to go in Tamil and 50% in Urdu.

In addition, in south India, including Tiruvannamalai some mosques' sermons are in Tamil. In 1972 in Jamia Masjid Delhi,in one of my Jumma Prayers,Shahi Imam's entire sermon was about Indian politics. When asked, the reply was that Prophet Muhammad(Sal)discussed politics in the mosque.

Interior South Tamil Nadu like Trichy,Dindigul,Madurai,Tirunalveli,Tuticorin,Kanya Kumari,Marthandam,Sattur,Kovilpatti,Sivakasi, Jumma Sermons are in Tamil. The stretch from Trivandrum to Kasargode it is in Malayalam. Mangalore Udupi,Kondapur some Mosques have sermon in Urdu and in Kannada. Bangaloree and Mysore it is in Urdu. Bhatkal it is in Urdu.

Washington DC it is in English.Masha Allah I've gained a little experience out of my 12years extensive tour of entire(nook and corner) India,almost all the States,and a few foreign countries too. Allah is graceful for me to pray in those mosques.

A particular language helps as a mass communication. The intrinsic value of its literature and classical works and its writers, and orators are eulogized for their extra ordinary talents and genius. Meer, Dard, Ghalib, Anis, Dabeer, Iqbal, Zauk and Faiz all have gained a indomitable popularity among Urdu loving both Muslims and non Muslims Urdu poetry forms itself with following basic ingredients:
Faraz Shayari, Bait, Bait-ul-Ghazal, Beher, Diwan Husn-E-Matla, Kalam etc.

One of my friends has lamented that I am pro Tamil and changing colours towards Urdu. Of course my mother tongue is Tamil but I speak at home in Urdu with my wife, with lone own sister,my children nephews, nieces and cousins. This is the emphatic object of my article, how Urdu has metamorphic challenging advances besides regional language Tamil constantly spoken by the non Muslims inter-mingling with Muslims.

Long time ago,in the interest of the Muslim public, when the census was taken in Ambur, my late elder brother Rafeeque Ahmed, (a well respected Tamil scholar,writer,and orator) and I insisted the mass of Ambur, those Tamil speaking Muslims whose mother tongues were Tamil, to enter their original mother tongue as Tamil to avail government benefits, since the Tamil Nadu government had chosen so. It's was a social service with good "Niyyath-intention" nothing to abhor and to averse.

In public there is no dearth of brickbats than the bouquet in terms of genuine social works.It applies to all.

jumma khutba

Just to add to what Mr.Shafee Ahmed and Mr. V.M. Khaleelur Rahman have mentioned in the comments.
In Chennai / Ambur, the Jumma namaz bayans are given either in Urdu or Tamil depending on the population of the area.
But the Khutba (on minbar) is given in Arabic.

Mr. Kaleem's explanation

Mr. Kaleem's explanation (Urdu or Tamil sermons) applies to Chennai and some other places. As far as the North Arcot district is concerned, in almost all mosques only Urdu sermons on Fridays.

There are also some mosques in Tamil Nadu other than North Arcot district where Fridays sermons are given both in Tamil and Urdu languages.

I would like to remind again both Mr. Ko. Shafee Ahmed and Mr. Kaleem that I am talking of the North Arcot district and Friday sermons. Let us not get confused. Sermons are different from Khutbas.

I thought of explaining these things for the clarity of the people who are not connected with Tamil Nadu.

I have said that "let it be

I have said that "let it be clear to all that in every masjid in the North Arcot district Jumma sermons are given in chaste Urdu by learned scholars most of whom now hail from the same district." I did not mention Chennai or Tamil Nadu. North Arcot district is the centre of Urdu in Tamil Nadu.

It is here Urdu is flowering and spreading its fragrance. It is here that Muslims have preferred this language to know Islam more and more. It is here communal harmony is intact. It is here there is no discrimination between different sects.

It is here leather and leather products industry has developed well by the grace of Allah. It is here in the North Arcot philanthropists like C.Abdul Hakem and A.Abdul Shukoor and many others were born. It is here non district Muslims like Khaja Mohiuddin and now Abdur Rahman were elected to the Parliament.

It is here there is no much difference between the different linguistic and religious people. It is here that a Muslim art and science college (Islamiah College) was established (in Vaniyambadi)in Tamil Nadu. Well known Urdu lovers and real activists are here. The mother tongue of an overwhelming majority of Muslims is Urdu here.

The Tamil Nadu Muslim community has established many educational institutions including arts and science college and engineering colleges in Chennai and other places of Tamil Nadu but the first college established by Muslims in Tamil Nadu is ISLAMIAH COLLEGE which is in Vaniyambadi in North Arcot district as said earlier. I am repeating it again to stress its importance. This college was instrumental in spreading modern science education among the Muslims of North Arcot district in particular and Tamil Nadu in general.

There are many "Arabic institutions" in North Arcot district including Baakhiathus salihat (Vellore) and Darus Salam (Oomerabad) which are famous in India and abroad.

In Ambur we have Rafeequl Uloom where Ulema like Maulana Mufti Hafiz Salahuddin Qasimi who hails from Ambur and others are teaching students. It is a self reliant Islamic institution established by the late business magnate and philanthropist Janab A.Abdul Shukoor sahib.

It is here that Muslims sing " ,Kitni meethi zaban,kaisi pyari zaban, meri Urdu Zaban, faqray Hindustan" ....

Urdu ki baat ho rahi hai toh

Urdu ki baat ho rahi hai toh mein yah kahne mein fakhar mahsoos kar raha hoon ki Jamat-e-Islami Hind kay Ameer, MAULANA SYED JALALUDDIN UMARI SAHIB zila-e-shumali Arcot kay hain aur unki paidaish aur taaleem-o-tarbiat yaheen Ambur kay qareeb waqay Thirupattur mein hui aur Maulana Darus Salam say farigh hain. Woh aek achchay muqarrir bhi hain, achchay musannif bhi hain, aur achchay mufakkir bhi hain. Urdu zaban mein unki darjanon kitabein shaie hui hain aur unka maeyaar bahut aala hai. Main yah baat isliyay kah raha hoon ki tamaam Urdu daan hazaraat ko is baat ka ilm hojayay ki Tamilnad ka aek hissa aisa bhi hai jahaan Alhamdulillah Urdu phal phool rahi hai aur apni khushbu say fiza ko muattar kar rahi hai.

SOMETHING MORE ABOUT

SOMETHING MORE ABOUT AMBUR-VANIYAMBADI CLUSTER

Many leading international footwear brands like Clarks, Ecco, Gabor, Florshiem, Espirit, Sears, JC Penny, Pierre Cardin and others, which are sold in the retail stores in Europe, the US and several other countries, are produced in a small town in Vellore district of Tamil Nadu. Footwear products, worth over Rs 1,524 crore, were exported by companies in the Ambur-Vaniymbadi cluster in 2008-09. Forty three modern tanneries and shoe factories and about 24 raw-to-wet blue processing units, which produce semi-finished leather, finished leather, shoe components and shoes, account for over 10% of leather exports and 25% of shoe exports from the country. (Source: The Financial Express)

I would like to tell

I would like to tell twocircles.com readers that at present in Tamil Nadu government benefits are not denied to anybody just because his or her mother tongue is Urdu.

Tamil - Islam - Urdu

Geographically located near to our beloved capital Chennai and how dare you to say (urdu is our preferable language?) Ambur was the Tamilland and remain as a Tamilland. Whenever I am visiting to this district – specially Ambur and Vaniyambadi I am sad to notice the changes... The 80s was not like that, defiantly 70s was not at all. That generation is aligning with native tradition and sprit. Still I can remember my grandma and used to wear white color wrapping cloth. She lived more than 80 years – I am sure, she never spoke in Urdu. Neither you representing Kosovo or Philippines or Bangladeshi – doesn’t matter, you can be good Muslim. Urdu is not mandatory to understand Islam. Anyone willing to do any good to this community – they must start paying attention of this talibanization (?) threat.
Regards
From the Holyland of Arabia

Please do not get emotional

Please do not get emotional and create unnneccasry discussion.Urdu is the mother tongue of Labbai's who make up a majority of muslims in North Arcot.The article in fact is well written, see from a positive perspective and do not ry to pick holes.

islami

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
jhot dilon main shakh peyada karta hai our sach itamanaan bakhshata hai, .1

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho 2
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
k ek moomin aghaar koi darakht laghta hai yaa kheti bhari karta hai
aur pher us se pharindin yaa koi or jandar khatin hai
tu ye us k liye sadqa hai, or ishe moukha phar farmya
aaghar koi daratkhat laghta ho or qamaeyaat namudaar
hony laghy tu pher be wo darkht laghna jari rakhye,,..

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho 3
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
jaab tum ko apny achchy amaal se masarat ho or
burin kaam se ranjh ho tu tum mumen ho,.

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ka arshar mubarik hai ? 4
allah tahalla farmatin hai k
main apny bandin k ghumaan k sath hon,.

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa? 5
jis ne sawaab k liye eid ki raat ebadaat ki us ka dil qiyamaat k din ko zindaa ho gha,
--------*eid k rooz rasool pak sallaho aly waslaam
yaamni chadaar uora kartin thyu,.

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa? 6
ghusaa shataan ki taraaf se hai or shataan ko aagh se peyadaa kiyaa geyaa hai,.

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
k moomeen ki daaanahe se daroo q k wo allah k noor se dekhta hai,,. 7

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho 8
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
jo shakhs elaam ki raa phar chalta hai
allah tahlla us k liye janaat ki raa aasaan kaar dyeta hai,.

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa?* 9
yaaani allah talhalla k haraam karda afahaal se bachoon
saab se bharin ebadaat ghusaar baan jahoo ghy,,.

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa? 10
k ehsi jhagaa maat behtoon jahaan kisi ko zulaam se qataal kiyaa jaye
yaa zulaam se maara jaye k ehsi jaghaa lanaat barasti
haius shakas phaar jo us haal ko dekhatin howin

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho 11
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
allah tahalla ne ek fareshtin ko hukaam diyaa k falhaan shehaar ko zeero zabaar kaar do,
farshatin ne araz ki k elahe
falaan shaks jis ne kaabi ek lamhaa k liye
be ghunaa nai kiyaa us shehaar main majood hai
pher main us shehaar ko kisy zeero zabaar kaar don,,
allah lahalla ne farmaayaa jahoo or ehsaa he karoo
k us shakas ne kaabi dosaroon k ghunaahon
phaar naa ghuwaari kaa aazhaar nai kiyaa hai,,.?

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho 12
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
duniyaa mumoin k liye qaad khanaa or qafaar k liye janaat hai,

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa? 13
jo b kaam besmaila eramaan neraa heem
k saath shuroo nai kiyaa jaata wo naa mukamaal rey jataa hai,

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa? 14
jo shaks jumhaan ki pheli saaahaat main masjid main jaye ghaa us ne ghuyaa unt ki qurbaani dii,,

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa? 15
beeee namazi ki koi dua qabool nai hoti

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho 16
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
aaghaar insaan k doo mehdaan maal se bharin ho tu be wo tesaarin kaa matlaashe ho ghaa,,.

17
hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
reezaq ka zemyedaar allah tahalla hai
chaye tu rezaaq talaab kary naa kary tera rwzaaq tery pechyein dooraaa aaye ghaa,,.

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
achchy khalaq he kaa naam niki hai 18

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
jis ne jaan bujh kaar namaaz tark ki us ne kofaar kiyaa, 19

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
achchy loghon ki nashani khush kaalami hai 20
baad qalaami tu janwaroon ko b pasand nai,,.

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
kitni sharaam ki baat hai k subhaa humarin jaghny se phelin perandin b jaagh jayein,.. 21

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
aapny gharoon main naamaaz qayem karoo or 22
inhein qaabarin maat banahoo,.

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
be shaak allah tahalla k 99 naam hai
jo koi shakas in ko yaad kary ghaa 23
wo janaat main jaye ghaa,.

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
k maasjid qebha main 2 rukhaat nafaal aada karny kaa sawaab 24
ek umaraa k barabaar hai,.

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
kaaseeraat se allah kaa zekaar kaaroo k logh 25
dewaana kheny laghy,,.

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa? 26
jo allah se nai manghtaa allah us phaar ghasaab naak hota hai,.

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
zekaar allah k sewaa kisi qalaam ki kaseeraat naa karoo kiyoun k 27
us se dil sakhat ho jataa hai
or saab se zeyaada khuda tahalla
se dor wo shakas hai jis kaa dil sakht ho,,.

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
zaleel khowaar ho wo aadami
jis k saamany meraa zekaar kiyaa jaye or wo moch phaar darood naa bejhin, 28

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho 29
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
yaani teri zabaan allah k zekaar main rni chahe hai,,.

hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho 30
aly waslam ne farmayaa?
wo shakas bukhaal hai jis k samaany meraa zekaar kiyaa jaye or moch phaar darood naa bejhin
,
hazaraat ali razi aly tu salaam se roayeat hai k 31
hazarat muhammad noor majasam salallaho
aly waslam ka aakhari kaalaam ye hai,,.
k namaaz or apny ghulamoon k barin main allah se daroo yaani in k saath naa haq naa karoo,.

»» Rasool Allah (s) nay farmaya, sacha khuwab nabuwat ka chiyaliswa 46 hisa hay. Sahi Bukhari ,Muslim. Rasool Allah(s) nay fermaya,"jis nay muje khuwab mai dekha fil waqiya muj ko dekha kyu keh shaitan ki majal nahi kay khuwab kay andar meri shakal mai zahir ho.(sahi bukhari o Muslim ). Hazrat Daniyal(a s) nay fermaya khuwab ki tabeer bayan kernay kay leye Elam Jafar or Fall ka anna zaori hay. please read Tabere roya by ibn Sareen Srudent of Imam Hasan(a) Anas bin Malik(r) Bibi Ayesha(r)

lahelaha ellallaho whada ho lashareyeka laaho,
laahol mulkoo waa laahoolhamdoo waa hoo waa aalaa qoli shahen kadeer,

lahelaha ellallaho whada ho lashareyeka laaho,
laahol mulkoo waa laahoolhamdoo waa hoo wa

Camel get in to the tent?

By the way I am functioning for the past 20 + years without wearing any
face mask, not like the anonymous (?) Commentator. What do you mean by
unnecessary discussion? Look at the past and present muslim population in
Tamilnadu’s Vellore Dist. Labbai community’s roots were well integrated
with native language. But now fragiling signs are visible in that society.
What I am observing is now a days some sort of advocacy groups are emerging
in that district and I do suspect one way or another the columnist became a
mouthpiece of it , What I am saying – I mean it, I red it thoroughly, the
article itself a self explainery and it’s describing the family names of
the so called Labbais in Tamil not in Urdu except those who came from
north. Whenever a community is creating a shell and trying to live in the
ghettos within it, history tells us, believe me – it’s not going to serve
its purpose. Only possible way of existence for any community is to lineup
with the mainstream honestly and sincerely. This is absolutely possible
without abandoning a single religious belief. This is well experimented in
Turkey and functioning nearly a century period. Instead of giving loyalty
to the Medina govt. Banu Natheers align themselves with the Mecca pagans
and then they paid the price for it. That’s what worrying me.

Urdu in Tamilnadu.

Language is a vehicle of thought. Linguistic contamination is common, as neighboring language mixed with. No language is chaste in all places. We can see the difference Tamil of Coimbatore, Madurai and Chennai; Telugu of Chittoor and Vijayanagaram. So Urdu too subjected this onslaught.
Further Ko Shafee Ahmed has written a good picturesque article about Urdu speaking 'Tamil muslims'.
Very nice.

PRINCE OF ARCOT MOHAMAD ALI

Nawab,Prince of Arcot whose ancestors ruled pre-British Raj can as well tell how Urdu language in North Arcot Dist. His silence is disturbing.

URDU AAKHIR URDU HAI

I FOLLOWED ALL THE POSTED ARTICLES, FOUND THE OPINIONS OF THE SAME TWIN SPEAKING LANGUAGE PERSONS OF TAMIL AND URDU WITH ENGLISH. JANAB V.M.KHALEELUR RAHAMAN IS PERFECT IN HIS SURVEY . AS A URDU POET (ALSO A BUSINESSMEN OF LEATHER INDUSTRY)I AM REQUESTING JANAB V.M.KHALEELUR RAHMAN SAHIB TO PRESENT IN HIS WON STYLE REGARDING MORE PERSONALITES IN AMBUR TO INTRODUCE THERE KHIDMATH OF URDU ,OUR TEACHER LATE VANEKAR ZACKARIA SAHIB ("FARID"TAKHULUS)LATE JANAB A.A.RAVOOF SHAIB , LATE JANAB JALAL MOHAMED ZAKCRIA SHAIB AND THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF FALAH-E-MILLATH AMBUR.
.
I AM REQUESTING JANAB KO .SHAFE AHMED TO CHANGE THERE TOPIC FROM "Urdu speaking "Tamil Muslims" of Vellore, Tamil Nadu"
TO AND AS" Urdu speaking " Muslims" of Vellore, Tamil Nadu NOT ALL THE VELLORE MUSLIMS ARE NOT QUOTED AS TAMIL MUSLIM.
NOWDAYS SAID THE URDU IS PAIDA HUWI DELHI MAY. SHABAB PAI LUCKNOW MEY BEMAR PAD GAI HYDERABAD MAY MAR GAI BANGALORE MAY DAFAN KARNA HAI MYSORE ME.PHIR ZINDAH KAR NA HAI AMBUR MAY.

MUSHAYERAH

ONLY IN JAMIYA DARUS SALAAM OOMERABAD ,TAMIL NDADU HAD GOT THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT IN EVERY YEAR PUNCTUALLY ORGANIZED THE MUSHAIYRAH FROM LAST 40 YEARS. FROM USTAD LATE "ALLAMA GHANZAFR HUSAIN SHAKIR NAYETHI" LATE JANAB YOUSUFF KOKAN AND NOW IN THE ACCOUNTABLILITY OF USTAD E MOHTHRAM JANAB MOULANA ABDUR RAHMAN KHAN ABUL BAYYAN "HAMMAD" SAHIB OOMERI MAALURI,AND WITH THE KEEN INTEREST OF MOULANA JANAB KAKA SAYEED babu shaib oomeri hafidahullah the general seceratery of jamia darus salaam oomerabadS WERE I PRESENTED SEVERAL TIMES AS A URDU POET (RAFATHULLAH RAFATH AMBURI).THIS IS THE LAND MARK OF URDU ADAB OF VELLORE DIST.

Founders of BakhiathusSalihat-Vellore

Maybe mentioned as this is the oldest Arabic Madarsa in South India.People like Haji Baba Miyan of Vellore,Saukar Shamshudin of Visharam,Alanji Abdur Rahman of Kanamangalam and Haji Esmail Sahib of Nariymbut supported Ala Hazarat Abdul Wahab in establishing this great institution.Other facts about this institution maybe obtained from me.

Urdu has it roots in Deccan