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assalamu alaikum, this is zakir frm hazarath makkan, vellore. in our street there are lot of poor children, they does not know the basic knowledge of islam and namaz. and even how to read quran. we have a jamath in our street and trying to open a madarasa. there is a darga in which lot of peoples are living in tht dargas property. we have told them to reside there . but now they are trying to sale it. our jamath members told them not to sale because it belongs to darga. but they have formed a group and trying to capture the whole property with the help of some politicians and policemen.our jamath members are unable to do anything. now we have decide to hand over the total property of darga to wakf board. so tht our muslims may get knowledge of namaz and reading quran. but we dont know the procedure how to do it. please help us in this.con:9994026583

allah haafiz

Dear All,

There are many suggestions which need be complied as file and go through them seriously.

I have 2 questions to Muslims

1. To those whose children are in school and there is no arrangement for Islamic teachings for them

2. To those whose children are in Madarsas and there is no arrangement for basic worldly education.

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One must obtain a copy of Darul Oloom Nadwa-tul-Olema, Lucknow where we can find that the same curriculum we need among all Muslim children from Madras and School.

Nadwa has focused on basic worldly education like Science, Math, Geography, Persian, History etc till the class of 8th in Madarsa system or you can say till Middle class of Schools, then the whole focus till Alimat or Fazilat ( 10, 10+12, BA & MA) are on main purpose of Madarsa education like Quran, Hadeeth, Tafseer and Fiqh along with English and comparison between religion + Islamic and Indian History..

I think most of Muslim will agree that this is the very balanced curriculum for Madarsas, however there are some more needs to be adjusted like a student of Fiqh should be trained in the law of land, existing economic system, existing social fabrics and compare with Islamic ones then only those students would be able to lead Muslim community to a better place than pushing them to blank point of backwardness.

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One must obtain a copy of curriculum from Jamat-e-Islami or Zakir Nayak International School where the basic and necessary Islamic teachings have been included in the system and the emphasis is being given to implement the same in soul and spirit so that none children feel lack of basic Islamic knowledge and lead their lives and continue their education on worldly subjects like science, math etc..

However here there is need to train student to compare their education research in the light of Quran and Hadeeth and take the leaf out of well-known Muslim scholar in past.

So for 2 questions, we have answer, however we need a panel of experts from both Schools and Madarsas to ponder over how to make a balance in both curriculum so that children can get a balanced education with the sense of pride for both education and can use their knowledge according to Islamic spirit of (Iqrah).

Now there is no need of Madarsa Board as this has played a vital role to make Muslim Dalit, and now we will not test the same water twice.

As a Muslim should be bitten twice from the same hole.

Regards
Mohammad Kalam

LET OUR 'DEENI' MADRASAS BE 'MODERNIZED" BY EQUIPPING THEM WITH MODERN TECHNOLOGICAL EQUIPMENTS AND AT THE SAME TIME TAKING CARE TO SEE THAT THEY ARE NOT "WESTERNIZED"
MAY ALLAH INCREASE THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PUPILS OF MADRASAS AND ALSO THE MANAGENENT OF THE MADRASAS. AAMEEN
S.M.PASHA
A HUMBLE QADIM-E-UMMAH

Being in education field for last 18 years, I am of the firm opinion that learning a language without understanding it is of no use. This is true of Arabic as taught in makaatib and English as learnt by wards of unlettered parents. For English it is more than that. The child who does not know a word of English endears the language till the time she/he learns it the way the first langauge is learnt. This continues for the life of that child and we find many such burnt out language faults in English educated people around us.
I am planning to start a school so that other too start so and the best survives. In fact I am contemplating it under the title "Jihad-Saa-Zindagi". This came to my mind as I went down the memory lane. During my high schooling my reading of Urdu and English publications from Iran on the Islamic Revolution talked about the struggle of making the nation after the King fled and Iran was trying to go on its own with the USA and its allies and agents trying all the tricks to deny it the same. The fact is, as we tell, history. Iran is on its own while its adversaries are scattered. Please remember that during college days, the Gulf war happened and I remain an ardent admirer of Saddam Husain for Iraqi defiance of the USA but the conduct of Iran too has its own position in my persona. A Sunni bu birth, I am not able to hate any sect except the non-sects.
I welcome any competition from people around me so that we make 'exemplary' Muslims and in turn India. In my view India would not be the super power in conventional sense of it but a true Islamic society encompassing all the faiths, a true reflection of the ideal Islamic System which existed during and just after the Prophet (saw).

We Muslims should look into our past how the Muslim genius were imparting education then only we can have a nice and secured future through education.We have lands buildings structures but we Muslims are lacking human resources which is need of the hour.See the Christian Missionaries how efficiently they run their schools giving and imparting education for all people coming from different castes creed religions.
Its open every child from lower to upper class income group and household Muslim parents prefer to admit their ward in Christian schools because of their quality education and chlid's overall developement is seen as cash in hand.
Regarding suggestions on present day education we should take lessons from the schools run by non Muslims and our Mullahs are there for imparting religious education.

Dear all Assalam o Alaikum

Going through the comments and suggestions by others I could not understand what people want from madarsa? some says that Urdu medium school should be encouraged, some writes that we should think for the Arabic language. Why we are still in the 'language lab', just get rid of such thoughts , we muslim can understand any language and can save our cultural heritage as well.

We must think for the modern education and in the internationallly required/suggested language.Allah has created all the civilisations and their languages. He can understand any language , not only Arabic and Urdu.

regards
Shahnawaz Akhtar
Patna

Simplest and Best way

govt is not privatizing wakf (which is full of curroption and Muslim r get minimum bendfit 4m it) or not even acting on the request of many muslim jamaat for handling wakf or changing the head eligibilty 4 wakf

so the idea of founding a center board with the help of Govt is of no use and then muslims will be totally misguided , infact we can ask the funds if they want to provide

but centralization should be solely done by muslim organization or co-ordinate committee which is formed by them

we can also take Dr zakir naik help on this issue as he is having plans on this

and plz now we alll have 2 wake up URDU is Not Muslims Mothertong or Religious Language its Arabic and we should have Arabic Medium schools and COlleges now or english mixed with arabic like zakir naik school

by this we can have access to gulf (by arabic) and rest of the world (by english), were does Urdu Helping us No were

As salam aleykum, What we can have is a central board governing madarsas. The board managed(curriculum, session details and policy) by few who are in deen(could be hafiz et al) and are in duniya(Say AIIMS, IIT, IIM graduate). And a few inspectors(need not be as good as policy makers, general muslim junta is okay) to ensure the implementation of policy.

Surely these dual good people(Hafiz and IIT/AIIMS/IIM graduates) are rare, but there are few, atleast I know one who was IIT JEE 49 ranker and has a strong Islamic root(now at cs.wisc.edu) anyways, IF WE WANT TO GROW A CROP WHAT DO WE DO? WE FIND THE SEED AND PLANT IT. IF WE WANT AN ALIM AND IIT DEGREE IN EVERY PERSON IN THE WHOLE SOCIETY, BETTER WE MAKE USE OF THE(VERY FEW) EXISTING ONES.

I am aghast for the fact that nobody has picked up my thread of opening schools in area where we do not have any or are just on papers. Why to single out Muslim population intead of making it all inclusive. This thought comes to mind who are of the opinion that it is the Muslim community which is languishing in past or penury but fact is that more than 60% of Indians are suffering.
There is an opinion that many individual efforts fizzle out due to lack of sincerity. The fact is here in India we tend to be complacent once we have invested certain resources and never visit back the system whether it is serving the purpose or not. Many who have the spirit to do something do it vain because all the grants and permissions need political backing which is a sure corrupting system. In one of a big town, a not so sincere person sought permission to open a school which by law was well within the laws laid down but the local MLC who belonged to the ruling party and runs a school as private enterprise albeit aided by govt made it sure that the permission is not granted. Another politician and ex-MLA and minister in the state was bribed which made the govt permit the individual to start the school. Now, the school is a statistical hurdle because both the school neither try to impart the needed schooling, while they block the way of another school which might be doing so.
In India we tend to do things but there is no aim. If the govt can bring out a project which seeks applications from interested people and makes it sure that the results of investments are achieved without politics interfering, that will help the situation. If the govt is trying to single out the madarsas and not people at large. The exclusiveness of the madarsah board would make Muslims even more susceptible to be branded 'appeased'. Another way, they are being tried to be separated so that they are asked to fend off for themselves and have no share in the national resources.

The students of Madrasas should have interaction with students of other schools in the areas of sports, debates, scientific experiments etc. The Madras shouldn't not be left out from the mainstream or else they will have difficulty later in terms on interactions.
Sports should be encouraged with necessary facilities provided, as it will promote health and well being of the students that will help students in grasping what they learn. The learning shouldn't be rote, but with very high level of understanding whether it is religious or science.

Let us pledge to give 0.05% of our income to nearest Madarsas to support its infrastructure. Govt has been doing its job and will be doing. Let MPs and Social Activitist do their job. Let us we ensure that certain percenatge of our income will go to the nearest madarsa of our place.
Once madarsa will have money, everything will imporve gradually.
Madarsas are not only the place for Islamic Eductaion. Its is a parallel education sytem to western education with the same goal of producing educated and cultured citizens to the society.
Hence, only giving suggestions for free, because Twocircles.net is giving you an oppertunity is not all.

The main purpose of madrasas is to provide islamic education to muslims.A student after spending 3-4 years in a madrasa becomes a HAFIZ-E-QURAN.A Hafiz can work as a an IMAM to lead daily 5 time prayers of a mosque,and in his spare time can earn money through self employment/ small business etc.For a Hafiz student it should be mandatory that he should not be more than 10 years of age,at the time of admission otherwise it will be difficult for him to complete the Hafiz course.For a Hafiz course mostly poor and orphan students are availble since their guardian is unable to provide for food ,school fees,medical and other expenses.A Hafiz cannot understand Quran and meanings of Hadith,for that he should opt for an Aalim course.The duration of Aalim course is 8-10 years.An Aalim can deliver friday speech,conduct arabic class,daily darse-Quran and darse hadees and conduct marriage ceremoney, funeral ceremoney etc etc.After spending 4+8=12years in a madrasa,students have to search for a mosque where there is no regular Aalim.Since there is no permission to build new mosques, it is very difficult to find a vacancy in existing mosques.Govt.should allow for building new mosques.
All madrasas should employ a doctor to check students health on weekly basis.Madrasa syllabus should be taken from madinah university as the students if they are meritorious can continue their studies in saudi arabia at the cost of saudi govt.scholarship.Also our sectarian differences will be avoided through uniform syllabus of madrasas.
An Aalim completes his course at the age of 16-18 years.After that if his madrasa is affiliated to CBSE board or any state divisional board like for eg. the madrasa at Malegaon Mansoora,is affiliated to pune divisional board,then the student can further continue his studies in 11(fyjc) in arts faculty.Or he can opt for ssc-external(16no.form),and further continue his studies till graduation.
Madrasas should be hyegenic with all building and sanitory facilities.
Darwins theory should not be included in any science subject.
An Aalim should be paid a salary of Rs 15000/per month,by the muslim community.The community can pay this salary very easily if each member is donating minimum Rs.100every month(considering 200 members/mosque).

The education through Madrassa may be streamlined and should be planned in a balanced manner taking the reality of the situation into consideration. The syllabus should be revised in a supplementary and complementary mode with general education in a qualitative as well as quantitative dimension.

The Central Madarsa Board need a re-look on its proposed structure and function. I think that the structure of the proposed board should be decided up on with utmost care. It should be well balanced with competent persons having very clear, right and proactive views on religious as well as main stream education.
The scheme is seen to have been molded to suit the system prevailing in North India. It is to be redesigned to suit the system prevailing in other parts of India also.
The main problem is with regard to the channeling of the fund through State Govt. The smooth flow can be ensured if the funds are routed through Wakf Board, or through District Collectors etc. A state level mechanism can be created with the Wakf Board for monitoring and watching the utilisation of the fund with periodical check up by the officials of the Ministry of Minority Affairs, Govt of India. The system now being followed by the Ministry of Rural Development, GOI can be made applicable here also. The RD Ministry is giving funds directly to DRDAs of the Districts directly through out India.
P.M.Pareethu Bava Khan
Secretary General,
Unity for Social Development, Kerala
Trivandrum

People should start taking more interest in neighborhood or native place madrasa. Honestly speaking how many of us visit madrasa on regular basis. We limit ourselves to just paying Zakat to madrasa. We should join the management and try to bring in fresh ideas. When professionals start taking personal interest in Madrasa then things will definitely improve.

Spending few hours in Madrasa in a week will make lots of difference. When everyone start taking care of their neighborhood/ native place madrasa then tradition of going door to door for collection will also stop.

Everyone from locality should be encouraged to spend few hours with Madrasa children weekly. These few hours can be spent reading newspaper, discussing about new technology, teaching computer, English etc.

Normally people send their children to madarasas because that is the place where the food is provided free of cost.This scenario should be changed.The free food scheme in the madarasas should be abolished.The students in madarasas should know their true values and only then they will benefit the community.At present the community is investing a huge amount on madarasas for which there is no profit.
Next important thing is that the age old syllabus of the madarasas should be changed.The madarasa students are unaware of the current issues and we can clearly say that they are not even aware of the islamic issues.
A lot has been discussed about this subject in all these years and now its time for us to act.

First of all, its a good intiative twocircles, but you will have a number of muslim posers who will not give any constructive ideas like what is happening now.

I suggest you create a forum with a discussion board and get volunterr mods to monitor this discussion and other discussions with the public. Please give serious though on establishing a forum board for Twocircle community

On the topic in hand, there are lots of misconceptions about Madrassas even though only 4% of children go there. I suggest a media savvy campaign from the muslim community that reaches out to madrassas to establish open days and media days for the local community to come and see what happens. They can also do short courses like for a week or so. And establish a few courses for non-muslims even to help them understand what happens there.

The root of the problem is not Madarssa education per se, but the entire Muslim population of India is itself to blame for this stereotype. It is high time the historical errors of separating religious and worldly education should be amended.

It seems that the Madaris are producing aalim/huffaz fit to lead prayers in local mosques, but not those who can solve the country's problems. This will not happen unless the syllabi is transformed to include subjects like English, science and maths - it is the responsibility of the local Muslim communities to initiate these changes, as the Madarssa management is hardly aware of the idiom of the day.

Actually, we can take some lessons from convent schools - despite being independently governed they provide quality education for all. Another approach could be to start such schools where regardless of their economic background students can enrol, and receive good education. Though such attempts have been made in right earnest, they usually fizzle out because of lack of vision and insincerity at some point.