What had Zakir Naik said one week before he was banned?




By TwoCircles.net Staff Writer,

New Delhi: “I have spoken out on numerous occasions against all and any acts of terrorism and I have unequivocally condemned such acts of violence; acts including 9/11, 7/7 and 7/11 (serial train bombings in Mumbai) which are completely and absolutely unjustifiable on any basis,” eminent Islamic scholar Dr Zakir Naik had said on June 11, exactly a week before he was banned (June 18) from entering Britain for his alleged support to terrorism and “unacceptable behavior”.

Dr Naik had issued his signed statement in response to media reports in Britain preceding his scheduled visit (June 18-28), portraying him as “Preacher of Hate” and “Terror Backer”.



“I believe recent press reports in the UK media have given a warped and wholly unjustified impression of my work by portraying me as “Preacher of Hate” and “Terror Backer”. I categorically reject as falsehoods any such allegations. These are totally untrue and a misrepresentation of the truth. It appears these sensational headlines have been based on some of my quotes that have been given either without the relevant context or are completely wrong. It is clear from my talks, that in Islam, terrorism; the killing of innocent civilians is completely forbidden and as such I have unequivocally stated that no Muslim should be a terrorist.”

Dr Zakir Naik had clearly stated that during his UK tour he will give a message of peace and a clear and concise message to young British Muslims that terrorism and violent extremism, including suicide bombings killing innocent civilians have no place in Islam.

“My tour to the UK will be focused on delivering a message of peace based on Islamic values and bridging the gap of understanding between the major faiths. My visit will include engaging in constructive and positive dialogue between members of different communities and to dispel the misconceptions of Islam. I will be delivering a message of peace, unity respect and tolerance for any differences that may prevail. I also understand the sensitivities and current difficult climate prevailing within the west and therefore my tour will also include a clear and concise message to young British Muslims that terrorism and violent extremism, including suicide bombings killing innocent civilians, is totally unacceptable and has no place in Islamic life, based on the Glorious Quran and the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed.”

“I hope to reach out to all youngsters and persons generally who promote confrontation and violence in the name of Islam; to engage in peaceful and constructive discussion with other communities, authorities and government to deal with any issues or grievances they may be fostering,” Dr Naik said in his June 11 statement on the letterhead of Mumbai-based Islamic Research Foundation that he heads.

He had said that he was discussing with lawyers in UK seeking legal remedy for his distorted image in the British media.

“It appears that some of the quotes have been taken from edited and manipulated excerpts uploaded onto the you-tube website including a talk that I delivered in 1996 in Singapore which was prior to the 9/11 atrocity. I am currently seeking advice from lawyers in the UK on the legal remedy and actions in the light of these reports.”

But ignoring his clarification about his views on terrorism and the purpose of his UK visit, the British government decided to ban him from entering UK the day he was scheduled to – June 18.

Announcing the ban, British Home Secretary Theresa May said: “Numerous comments made by Dr Naik are evidence to me of his unacceptable behaviour.” She further said: “Coming to the UK is a privilege, not a right and I am not willing to allow those who might not be conducive to the public good to enter the UK.”

BBC quoted a spokesman for Dr Zakir Naik as describing the move “deeply regrettable”. The UK government had bowed to pressure from certain groups to exclude him, he said. The spokesman further said Dr Naik had been holding talks in the UK for 15 years and the decision to bar his entry was disappointing.

Meanwhile the Muslim Council of Britain has deplored British Government move to ban Dr. Zakir Naik from entering UK. The Council said UK Home Secretary Theresa May’s action “serves to demonise the very voices within the world ready for debate and discussion.”

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I think you should make the

I think you should make the entire quote available from Dr Zakir Naik “every Muslim should be a terrorist,” continues “every Muslim should be a law abiding citizen and he should terrorise the burglar, robber and those who wish to commit acts of crime”. It is important not to selectively quote to give a false impression of someone for political ends. Dr Naik is one of the most moderate and respected interfaith debaters and the decision to bar him shows a fear that some in the British government have of freedom of speech on an equal platform.

out of context quote

Dr Naik is a knowledgeable and respected human being...his full comment is 'every muslim should be a law abiding citizen. whenever a criminal sees a muslim...the criminal should be terrified" I think quoting out of context will just add to the problems of already troubled world. Dr Naik intends to remove the troubles of the world by clarifying the misconceptions. Where does the freedom of speech of british government goes?

Zakir naik support

We all need to support zakir naik and withdraw this ban He is man of peace an knowledge we need him to help ourselfs to get guided

what's the diffirence between derick bird and a terrorist?

His not a Muslim

this ban totally stupid because everyone can still see dr zakir naik in his tv channels therasa can't ban that

This is the first big mistake the torys have done , and they will be ashamed when the. Ban is lifted

Freedom.....

The very words that entering a country is privilage and not right shows there is something more than what meets the eyes. Those who claim to be for freedom of speech are mute for the reason unknown. May be the british intelligence came to know before hand what Dr Zakir Naik was to speak on his tour of that country. Meanwhile, it is shameful that reporters with muslim name like Hasan Suroor reported that 'Dr Naik is radical islamic preacher, tv-evangelist etc'. These people are the root cause of everybody muslim being called 'extremists'. While to most of right thinking people calling others extremists is 'extremism' itself.

Kudos to Dr.Zakir Naik. We Muslims are with you.

We Muslims in general may not support of follow knowledgeable Zakir Naik's Salafi/ Wahabi brand of Islam, but we must wholeheartedly support him about his condemning Satan American and Israeli's terrorism imposed on Muslim world.
What is wrong if he is raising his voice against injustice done to Muslim Ummah worldwide, particularly the people Palestine, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Iran. Are this two countries and their allies are not killing mercilessly the innocent people of these countries?
I HEREBY ASK AND DEMAND DR. ZAKIR NAIK TO CONDEMN STRONGLY HIS 'MENTOR' SAUDI ARABIA'S COWRDLY SILENCE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF UMMAH.

But the BRITISH doesn't want him there

British are free to take any decision as it is their country and is not ruled by Muslim appeasing UPA like India.

"whenever a criminal sees a muslim...the criminal should be terrified"

A very noble idea but ZAKIR also insist that all MUSLIMS should live as per QUR'AN and QUR'AN treats anybody other than a MUSLIM as worst than a criminal. Here is it for you

-- The unbelievers among the people of the book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. (98.6).
-- Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve. (8.55)
--The unbelievers are your inveterate enemy. (4:101)
-- Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. (48:29).
-- Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. (5:51)
-- Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme. (8:40)
-- Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme. (2:193)
-- The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. (4:76)
-- We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. (3:151)
-- I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers. (8:12)

Will you ,please, re-read your own comments?

Mr. Anonymous! May i draw your kind attention to the following incontrovertible facts about the Holy Quran :
1. It has 116 chapters of varying lengths.
2. It has an estimated total of 6,666 verses in all.
Hence, chisling out a few quotations form it out of context, if you list them, the reader will come to the conclusion it advocates hatred and violence!Comparative passages abound in Bagwad Gita,other epics and scriptures like Holy Bible and Talmud.
3. It is not a code of conduct for Arabs or Muslims only but a guide and reminder for the entire mankind.Whoever reads it and tries to follow it in his life will rise himself fromt the lowest plane to the highest plane!
5.It helps you find peace withi and without and live wisely and righteously

Out of context?

Hello.... wake up..... When a warrior of Islam behads an 'infidel', he does it reading these paragraphs of the Qu'ran. There are too many pictures available on the Internet to vouch for this fact.

Out of Context? Come on. There is nothing out of context. The arabic word for kill is Qital. Qital is mentioned 64 times in the Qu'ran. The Qu'ran is easy to read, and has close ended interpretations, meaning, the interpretations are direct and do not have a second meaning. Please go to the internet and read any english translation of the Qu'ran. YOU ARE TALKING WITHOUT READING THE QU'RAN.

The Arabic Qu'ran is more horrific than the English translation because the translators themselves have watered down the brutality in the Quranic verses. When the verse of Wife beating comes to beating the wife with the branch of a tree in arabic, the english translators have written, 'throwing grass on your wife' to suggest foreplay which changes the intent and meaning of what the Prophet said. Fortunately the Muslims of India do not understand Arabic, but they do get the underlying message of hatred enshrined in some of the verses which prompts them to be killers.

Remember, Qital means to kill. There can be no second meaning of it. Also Qital of the Kaffirs cannot be taken out of context. There is only one meaning to it.

Please examine the Qu'ran before responding. These verses are absolutely correct. Your study is incomplete.

Nyamathullah sab, Correct me if I am wrong...

1-- Qur'an has 114 SURAHS- Ai-Fatihah the first and An-Nas the last.
2-- The chapters are not arranged in QUR'AN chronologically - ie as per the sequence in which the revelations were received by Muhammad but as per the length of SURAH.
3-- The 1st revelations to Muhammad is given in SURAH 96- Al-Alq and the last is Surah 9 At-Tawbah.
4-- QUR'AN was revealed to Muhammad from 610AD to 632AD- over a period of 22 years. But it was collected in WRITTEN form by Caliph Uthaman between 644AD to 656 AD, after death of Mohammad in 632AD. "UTHAMAN" also destroyed Surahs which "he"(UTHAMAN) considered (NOT MUHAMMAD NOR ALLAH) imperfect. Collection and deletion of some verses from Qur'an by "UTHAMAN was done 12 years after death of Muhammad. In the intervening period Islam had irrevocably split into Shia and Sunnis. Some publications from Iran strongly suggest that parts of Quran was amended favouring Sunnisby ABU BAKER AND UMAR - the two Caliphas before UTHMAN, and that effort to rectify the amendments were cut short by "Ali's" assassination. Remember UTHAMAN was also assassinated.
6--A Koran was also compiled between 813 AD- 833 AD by Caliph al Mamun.
5-- OUT OF CONTEXT- Allah while revealing QUR'AN to MUHAMMAD could not have had any context. It was MUHAMMAD who used it in some context.

Zakir Naik

When asked in an interview whether it was right for hindus not to be given same rights to practise their faith as muslims in Saudi Arabia, Naik said, it was perfectly okay because Islam is the better religion. Who gave the right to decide that ? What wonderful logic ? No need for freedom of religion , I will not allow you to practise your religion because I think my religion is better than yours and my God is superior to yours. Such is the mentality of Zakir Naik and his many supporters in India. When in a minority they talk about secularism, but when in a majority they allow only Islam.

Aur chaato London ki jooti.

The worst / heinous plans against Islam and Muslims are executed from London, yet Muslims look upto London ! Why ? Because they are Ahl-e-Kitaab ? They gave up the Kitaab long ago. The concept of "Ahl-e-kitaab" died long ago. Now there is only 1 people of the book and that is Muslims and Islam and Koran. Bas. The jews gave up., and the christians gave up. As of now, the reality is that they are capitalist societies., and formal religion is just an "accessory". It has no bearing on their real lives. They become Christian or Jews., only when it has to hurt Islam and Muslims. After that., they revert to their capitalist selves.

Zakir Naik is a great speaker and scholar, and must concentrate now on EDUCATION. He should visit every gram panchayat of India., to educate Muslims., and non-muslims about what Islam is all about., and try to establish Quality Schools thru-out India. If he can do it., woaw. That would be SOLID ground work.

Muslims are so naive and stupid. I am apalled at their level of ignorance. I have seen musilms from Indonesia upto Nile., and its all a bunch of naive fools.

Wake up and concentrate on Education. Quality Secondary Education. Muslims must love Chemistry and Math instead of Cricket., and then they will shine.

Press Release of Dr. Zakir Naik

PRESS RELEASE
MOCKERY OF FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION

http://irf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=241:mockery-...

This is with reference to an exclusion order issued to Dr Zakir Naik by the British Home Office, UK Border Agency, dated 16th June 2010.
Dr Zakir Naik, the illustrious and eminent speaker from Mumbai, India, is respected and revered throughout the world for his enlightening and convincing efforts promoting similarities between major faiths based on converging values for a common platform of Peace, using the binding commonalities that exist between the religious scriptures including the Bible, Vedas, Torah and Glorious Qur’an.
Following on from recent malicious and specious reports in the British media about the work of Dr Zakir Naik, we are disappointed to learn the British Government has decided to exclude him from visiting the United Kingdom to conduct a Peace Conference Tour between 25th-27th June 2010.
It is deeply regrettable the British Government has bowed to pressure from sectarian and Islamophobic pressure groups by preventing the entry of Dr Zakir Naik, who has been visiting and delivering talks in the United Kingdom for the past 15 years.
In the wake of these inaccurate press reports, Dr Zakir Naik issued a press release in the United Kingdom dated 11th June 2010 which is attached herewith.
The exclusion order issued by the Secretary of Home Department UK, appears to rely mainly on the following four extracts from various talks by Dr Zakir Naik which they found objectionable;
Extract of Quote 1
“As far as terrorist is concerned, I tell the Muslims that every Muslim should be a terrorist… What is the meaning of the word terrorist? Terrorist by definition means a person who terrorises. When a robber sees a policeman he’s terrified. So for a robber, a policeman is a terrorist. So in this context every Muslim should be a terrorist to the robber… Every Muslim should be a terrorist to each and every anti-social element. I’m aware that terrorist more commonly is used for a person who terrorises an innocent person. In this context, no Muslim should even terrorise a single innocent human being. The Muslims should selectively terrorise the anti-social element, and many times, two different labels are given to the same activity of the same individual … Before any person gives any label to any individual for any of his actions, we have to first analyse, for what reason is he doing that?” (Source – video google)
Extract of Quote 2
“Beware of Muslims saying Osama Bin Laden is right or wrong, I reject them… we don’t know. But if you ask my view, if given the truth, if he is fighting the enemies of Islam, I am for him. I don’t know what he’s doing. I’m not in touch with him. I don’t know him personally. I read the newspaper. If he is terrorizing the terrorist, if he is terrorizing America the terrorist, the biggest terrorist, he’s following Islam” (Source – You Tube – 2006)
Extract of Quote 3
“How can you ever justify killing innocent people? But in the same breath as condemning those responsible we must also condemn those responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon” (As reported by the Manchester Evening News, 21 August 2006 as part of a speech you gave at the Expo Islamia conference in Manchester.
Extract of Quote 4
“strongest in enmity towards the Muslims are the Jews and the pagans…. It [the Quran] does not say that the Muslims should fight with the Jews… the Jews, by nature as a whole, will be against Muslims… there are many Jews who are good to Muslims, but as a whole … The Quran tells us, as whole, they will be our staunchest enemy” (Peace TV, recorded on You – Tube)
The clarification of these quotes, provided by the British Home Office, is cited below:
Clarification of Quote 1
The context of the quote given was against an article according to The Times of India newspaper, Mumbai edition, (Times News Network, Wednesday August 20, 2003).
“Mr. Angre is amongst the five officers, who between them, have gunned down more than 300 alleged criminals in the past five years. The very mention of their names evokes terror in the underworld”.
Dr Naik said; “...The moment the underworld hear the name of Inspector Angre, they are terrified, so Inspector Angre of the Mumbai Police Force is a terrorist for the underworld of Mumbai”.
Therefore after reading the extract of the quote in context provided by the British Home Office from one of the Dr Zakir Naik’s talks, any sensible and logical person would not object as the extract quoted is self explanatory.
Clarification of Quote 2
Many journalists ask Dr Zakir Naik regarding his views about Osama Bin Laden. Due to the fact that he [Osama Bin Laden] has not been convicted in respect of 9/11 and as Dr Zakir Naik cannot verify the claims against him, he neither considers him a saint nor a terrorist.
There is not a single statement of Dr Zakir Naik after 9/11 in which he has praised Osama Bin Laden or supported his activities.
With regards to the extract of a quote on Osama Bin Laden taken from a video on YouTube, this clip was taken from a lecture Dr Zakir Naik delivered in Singapore in 1996, almost five years before 9/11 and not in 2006, as has been posted.
It is therefore not possible to link this quote to Osama Bin Laden in the context of the 9/11, when the atrocity had not taken place; and took place after almost 5 years in 2001.
The lecture was recorded by some local people [in Singapore] and was later edited and uploaded on You Tube by a prejudiced group. Unless and until we have the rushes (original unedited tapes) of the program, it is not possible to know which portions of the lecture have been edited.
It is therefore not reasonable, in the light of Dr Zakir Naik’s known views about 9/11 and all other atrocities such as 7/7 (London, UK) and 7/11 (serial train bomb blast in Mumbai, India) to link these manipulated and very old comments to recent world events.
Dr Zakir Naik has emphatically and regularly condemned any and all persons responsible for these appalling atrocities, killing innocent civilians.
Clarification of Quote 3
It appears the British Home Office has quoted Dr Zakir Naik only condemning attacks on Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon from the article published in Manchester Evening News on 21st August 2006.
However, the same article also reported Dr Zakir Naik condemning and criticizing the atrocities of New York (9/11), London (7/7) and Mumbai serial train bombers (7/11) before he condemns the attacks on Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon “in the same breath”. The context of which is cited below:
“However, Dr Zakir Naik, described by organizers as "the most sought after Muslim public speaker in the world", criticized the actions of the New York, London and Bombay bombers”. (Manchester Evening News 21.08.06).
Clarification of Quote 4
Dr Zakir Naik was quoting from the Glorious Qur’an which says in Surah Ma’idah; chapter 5: Verse 82;
“Strongest amongst men in enmity to the Believers will thou find the Jews and the Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the Believers will thou find those who say, “We are Christians”.
In this context Dr Zakir Naik said “strongest in enmity towards the Muslims are the Jews and the pagans…. It [Qur’an] does not say the Muslims should fight with the Jews… the Jews, by nature as a whole, will be against Muslims…. there are many Jews who are good to Muslims, but as a whole …The Qur’an tells us, as a whole, they will be our staunchest enemy.”
Dr Zakir Naik has fervently criticized Adolf Hitler in many of his lectures as the greatest terrorist in the human history for his anti-Jewish policies and his atrocities for incinerating six million Jews.
As a student of comparative religion, Dr Zakir Naik has worked tirelessly for the common good amongst people of all faiths engaging in constructive debate and dialogue. These discussions have been hugely successful and have resulted in much progress towards a better understanding of Islam as well as enhanced harmony between people of different beliefs, dispelling fears, suspicions and misunderstandings.
Dr Zakir Naik is undoubtedly an opponent of terrorism and as such has often spoken out against all acts of violence and violent extremism. He has emphatically and unequivocally condemned the killing of civilians and is one of the world's regular noted orators on this topic.
In the wake of the exclusion order and based on legal advice, Dr Zakir Naik intends to bring the matter before the High Court of the United Kingdom and request a Judicial Review to have the exclusion order overturned.
We would request the Indian authorities to engage with and make representations to the British Government about the excellent services and work of Dr Zakir Naik in promoting Peace and social harmony worldwide. We would propose the Indian Government to encourage the British Home Office to revoke the exclusion order and permit the Peace Conference Tour to continue as scheduled, whilst upholding the values of freedom and justice.
For Islamic Research Foundation,

Maqbool Barwelkar
Public Relations Manager
18th June 2010, Mumbai, India.

What is the meaning of freedom

According to western people freedom is we can make any thing to insult Islam, THIS IS CALLED AS FREEDOM.

But when a true Muslim came to their country for peace building and giving brotherly message to all faiths, he is stopped. Then they will say Islam & terrorism are two face of coins.

WHAT A BULL SHIT.

We totally support Dr. Zakir Naik sb and pray to Allah SWT to help him and to dishonor people who stopping him in his Dawah work.

Allah hafiz.

May Scred of True Relegion Islam

The reason for ban is clearly unacceptable, it clearly indicates that, May is scared of True relegion (Islam), She senced that, if the people of UK listen to the speach and debate of Dr. Zakir Naik based on Quran (The Muslims Holy Book)which is message from Allah for the whole world, they will all accept the right path that is Islam. A literate person can see which is the right relegion, the one who he/she is following or the Islam, once they come to know about Islam.

May know that once Truth appears the False will Dissappear. But she should understand with her crueked mentality that Nobody can stop the air to flow, brightness to glow. I suggest every people who support May's act, please come forward for debate by allowing Dr. Zakir Naik in UK if you have guts and feels that you are on right path, istead of doing all kiddish things.

Strong Condemnation on the ban on Dr. Zakir Naik for UK tour.

The British should first throughly understand what Dr. Zakir Naik is saying about terrorism. He is not supporting the terrorism but he is against it as should be the muslim. Muslims are peace lovers, if anyone is trying to break the peace in the society what should one do "should one support him (peace breaker)or against him? a common reply to this question will always is, "Everyone will be against him", he is a terrorist as is doing the British now. British is misleading the world by releasing such type of statements against Dr. Zakir Naik, and is trying to break the peace among muslims. Dr. Zakir Naik had clearly stated that during his UK tour he will give a message of peace and a clear and concise message to young British Muslims that terrorism and violent extremism, including suicide bombings killing innocent civilians have no place in Islam. Muslim community should unite to support the truth and should strongly condemn the ban on Dr. Zakir Naik. Dr. Zakir Naik i'm with you in your noble & holy mission.
Whenever and wherever there will be cruelty and injuctice to the innocent people, muslims will not remain silent.

O you who believe! Take not

O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies (i.e. disbelievers and polytheists) as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth (i.e. Islamic Monotheism, this Qur'an, and Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), and have driven out the Messenger (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) and yourselves (from your homeland) because you believe in Allah your Lord! If you have come forth to strive in My Cause and to seek My Good Pleasure, (then take not these disbelievers and polytheists as your friends). You show friendship to them in secret, while I am All-Aware of what you conceal and what you reveal. And whosoever of you (Muslims) does that, then indeed he has gone (far) astray from the Straight Path .

Ambassador of Peace - Dr.Zakir Naik

Dr.Zakir Nair is the Ambassador of Peace how can some one ban him from entering in to UK. Seems like Theresa May have lost her Mind..... British Government should apologize & immediately remove the Ban.

Ambassador of peace must visit ISLAMIC conflict areas

Why doesn't the Ambassador of peace- ZAKIR NAIK go to ISLAMIC conflict areas where MUSLIMS are killing MUSLIMS in countries which have 98-100% ISLAMIC POPULATION like SOMALIA, SUDAN, PAKISTAN, AFGHANISTAN etc etc???? Why is ZAKIR only interested in visiting rich countries like USA, UK, SAUDI, UAE, MALAYSIA etc which have very less MUSLIMS/ MUSLIMS live at much peaceful conditions than the ISLAMIC COUNTRIES above?? If BRITONS do NOT want him their why is he insisting that he allowed in???

My brother, for ur

My brother,

for ur information Zakir naik has already been to Pakistan. But this is his will and everybody has a right to go wherever he wants to.

Then it is BRITISH will

Then it is BRITISH will if they want to deny ZAKIR NAIK entry into their country. But if ZAKIR has gone to PAK why did he not convince the PAKI MUSLIMS that "ISLAM means PEACE" and so the followers of ISLAM in AFPAK should abjure violence and set an example of ISLAMIC LIFE by living peaceful life. If his preaching has NO impact on Paki Muslims who were Indian Muslims till 14-8-1947 with shared cultural heritage with ZAKIR NAIK and his types, what is the use of ZAKIR preaching in Briton???

I love Beach Volley-ball, Mr. Naik.

To : Dr. Zakir Naik.

Yes., i love beach volley-ball., and would not mind if my son or daughter play beach volley-ball with others. Bas. Enough is enough. The obsession with the human body ! It is time to de-sensitize sex and the human body. What is it that girls have. 2 Tits., and what is it that boys have., A Cock ! This is nature. It is not SINFUL. There are no private or public parts. Its just a human body. We have to become clinical like doctors.

If we go naked., or take to nudity., will it help my community "progress". This is a question i often ask myself. (Presuming that being fully covered from head to toe is an impediment to progress !). When i look at the Lebanon Experiment., the Turkish Experiment., i find the answer is NOT yes. Lebanon and Turkey gave up clothes and went nude., and YET they are still "SICK" (Sick man of Europe is still sick !) Why did TUrkey / Lebanon not become super-nations. Afterall they had given up clothes long back and accepted a liberal sexual life.

So what is the right equation. I am against Burka., Purdah., Chuggi Beards., Skull caps. All "symbolism" or identity politics. I want muslims clean-shaved., jeans and t-shirts., or t-shirts and shorts., muslim girls in skirts or jeans., and having a healthy mind-set. They should not walk with their heads down. They should walk with their heads UP. They should not be ashamed of their body. Their body is beautiful., and NOT sinful. They should be proud of their body-line., and so should be boys. We should de-sensitise sex., so that our kids take their focus OFF from sex (Fruedism) to Chemistry, Physics and Math.

Muslims must now throw away "identity politics" and flush it out., and take to Math, Physics and Chemistry as the NEW RELIGION., and adopt English as their foreign language. As far as Indian Muslims are concerned., they should consider ILM (and by Ilm., i mean secular education., math and science.. the core subjects); they should consider Math + Science as PART OF IMAAN. Our community is lagging behind. We have to take to core subjects., and master English. Make English our mother tongue and conquer English Literature. For 2nd language., we can adopt either French or Mandarin Chinese. Like the Parsis., i want Indian Muslims to be the most progressive community in India.

We should not ASK or beg for jobs. We must CREATE jobs and offer them to our poor hindu brethren.

be coming a DOCTOR in beach.

Is it possible to be a clinical doctor? Clinical doctor do nt have wife/g friends?U must not perform clinical operation in beach.

Chand Pardesi you are right and you will become .............

Chand Pardesi you are right and you will become like this ( please read this ) http://www.islamicity.com/articles/articles.asp?ref=IC1006-4203&p=1 . Choice is yours !!!!!!

You seem to have quite a lot of misconceptions

Are you a "muslim" or an athiest??? A little confused as you said "'We' should not ASK or beg for jobs" and "take to Math, Physics and Chemistry as the NEW RELIGION."
Whichever category that you fall under, you seem to have a lot of misconceptions. First of all, muslims don't walk with their heads down and muslims are not ashamed of their body . You seem to have a big problem with the hijab. I do practice wearing the hijab and not because anyone forced me to. The reason for me to wear the hijab and jilbab is not because I am ashamed of my figure; infact, am proud of my figure. This beauty that I have is just a simple part of me and no stranger has a right to see it. These long black clothes that I wear ensures my modesty. As far as "desensitizing sex" is considered, we all know that humans are inclined to be attracted to the opposite sex by nature.Have you ever thought of what would happen to your daughter,wife, sister or your mother if they walk in bikinis in the beaches especially of India?
Why do you want the "want muslims clean-shaved., jeans and t-shirts., or t-shirts and shorts"??? FYI: T-shirts nad jeans are not haram.
Let me ask you, lets say you have a daughter for whom you have taken a lot of trouble to bring up and educate.Now, you are old...almost like a baby again, you can't hear or see properly, it is difficult for you to eat and move around and your daughter who is in a very high position now doesnot even turn behind and look at you, she is not there during times of need. What would you think "What a waste of time and energy it was to educate and bring this ungrateful women? When she was a little girl and ask me the same thing 10 times, I did not frown or shout at her but repeated the answer to her question as if it was the first time she asked me. When she was sick,I used to stay up and take care of her. And now, when I'm sick and in need, she does not even call me. What an ungrateful child?"
God All mighty created you and provided you with everything you have (which is countless even if you are the poorest person on this planet)and yet it is difficult to grow your beard for his sake, follow his instructions (The Glorious Qur'an) as to how to lead a life in this temporary world???
Ilm is an Islamic term that refers to knowledge of Islam. The Qur'an encourages the acquisition of knowledge - both relogious knowledge and the worldly knowledge. If you focus on Math, Science and Languages (at the same time, neglecting The Qur'an and sunnah) only as your core subjects...you can go to college and become a doctor or an engineer or what ever subject you want to major in. After all these tedious years in school and college, if you don't get a job appropriate for the effort you put in...what is the use of all that hard work in this world or the world hereafter? But, if you had concentrated on the Qur'an and the sunnah at the same time you did your worldly studies and you didnt get an appropriate job...atleast there is something for you in the hereafter, in the eternal life. In the Qur'an Allah encourages us to achieve both the worldly knowledge and Islamic knowledge. Infact Allah tells us to study His creations so that we may appreciate Him,the Creator. The muslim community is not lagging behind because they are not focusing on "the core subjects".
Lets say we have two groups. Group A- a community of muslims who are educated and have jobs and practice what they "feel like", does that mean we can eliminate robbery? Does that mean that the no: of hooligans waiting around the corner of the streets is going to decrease?
Group B- a community of practicing muslims who are averagely educated(eg:- around 30% did not come from a good financial background to continue studies after school). This community follows the Islamic shari'ah. Do you think the amount of robberies here in group B is higher than group A? Group B follows the shari'ah that means, every man or woman who has wealth more than the nisab level - that is 85gm of gold pays 2.5% of it as Zakat(charity) to the poor and after implementing this system of zakat if any one robs their hands would be chopped off as a punishment. Do you think the rates of robbery is going to increase??? In group B, every women wears their hijab, and the leader implements the shari'ah of capital punishment for rape, do you think the rate of rape is going to increase in this group???
Let me make this clear, I am not telling that muslims should not consider "the core subjects" as you call it. There should be a balance, but Islamic knowledge and practice comes first i.e it should have a higher priority in a muslim's agenda.
May God All mighty, guide you and give you hidayah. My intention was just to clear your misconceptions not to hurt you in any way.

You seem to have quite a lot of misconceptions

Are you a "muslim" or an athiest??? A little confused as you said "'We' should not ASK or beg for jobs" and "take to Math, Physics and Chemistry as the NEW RELIGION."
Whichever category that you fall under, you seem to have a lot of misconceptions. First of all, muslims don't walk with their heads down and muslims are not ashamed of their body . You seem to have a big problem with the hijab. I do practice wearing the hijab and not because anyone forced me to. The reason for me to wear the hijab and jilbab is not because I am ashamed of my figure; infact, am proud of my figure. This beauty that I have is just a simple part of me and no stranger has a right to see it. These long black clothes that I wear ensures my modesty. As far as "desensitizing sex" is considered, we all know that humans are inclined to be attracted to the opposite sex by nature.Have you ever thought of what would happen to your daughter,wife, sister or your mother if they walk in bikinis in the beaches especially of India?
Why do you want the "want muslims clean-shaved., jeans and t-shirts., or t-shirts and shorts"??? FYI: T-shirts nad jeans are not haram.
Let me ask you, lets say you have a daughter for whom you have taken a lot of trouble to bring up and educate.Now, you are old...almost like a baby again, you can't hear or see properly, it is difficult for you to eat and move around and your daughter who is in a very high position now doesnot even turn behind and look at you, she is not there during times of need. What would you think "What a waste of time and energy it was to educate and bring this ungrateful women? When she was a little girl and ask me the same thing 10 times, I did not frown or shout at her but repeated the answer to her question as if it was the first time she asked me. When she was sick,I used to stay up and take care of her. And now, when I'm sick and in need, she does not even call me. What an ungrateful child?"
God All mighty created you and provided you with everything you have (which is countless even if you are the poorest person on this planet)and yet it is difficult to grow your beard for his sake, follow his instructions (The Glorious Qur'an) as to how to lead a life in this temporary world???
Ilm is an Islamic term that refers to knowledge of Islam. The Qur'an encourages the acquisition of knowledge - both relogious knowledge and the worldly knowledge. If you focus on Math, Science and Languages (at the same time, neglecting The Qur'an and sunnah) only as your core subjects...you can go to college and become a doctor or an engineer or what ever subject you want to major in. After all these tedious years in school and college, if you don't get a job appropriate for the effort you put in...what is the use of all that hard work in this world or the world hereafter? But, if you had concentrated on the Qur'an and the sunnah at the same time you did your worldly studies and you didnt get an appropriate job...atleast there is something for you in the hereafter, in the eternal life. In the Qur'an Allah encourages us to achieve both the worldly knowledge and Islamic knowledge. Infact Allah tells us to study His creations so that we may appreciate Him,the Creator. The muslim community is not lagging behind because they are not focusing on "the core subjects".
Lets say we have two groups. Group A- a community of muslims who are educated and have jobs and practice what they "feel like", does that mean we can eliminate robbery? Does that mean that the no: of hooligans waiting around the corner of the streets is going to decrease?
Group B- a community of practicing muslims who are averagely educated(eg:- around 30% did not come from a good financial background to continue studies after school). This community follows the Islamic shari'ah. Do you think the amount of robberies here in group B is higher than group A? Group B follows the shari'ah that means, every man or woman who has wealth more than the nisab level - that is 85gm of gold pays 2.5% of it as Zakat(charity) to the poor and after implementing this system of zakat if any one robs their hands would be chopped off as a punishment. Do you think the rates of robbery is going to increase??? In group B, every women wears their hijab, and the leader implements the shari'ah of capital punishment for rape, do you think the rate of rape is going to increase in this group???
Let me make this clear, I am not telling that muslims should not consider "the core subjects" as you call it. There should be a balance, but Islamic knowledge and practice comes first i.e it should have a higher priority in a muslim's agenda.
May God All mighty, guide you and give you hidayah. My intention was just to clear your misconceptions not to hurt you in any way.

we support Dr zakir naik

We Muslims in general may not support of follow knowledgeable Zakir Naik's Salafi/ Wahabi brand of Islam, but we must wholeheartedly support him about his condemning Satan American and Israeli's terrorism imposed on Muslim world.
What is wrong if he is raising his voice against injustice done to Muslim Ummah worldwide, particularly the people Palestine, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Iran. Are this two countries and their allies are not killing mercilessly the innocent people of these countries?
I HEREBY ASK AND DEMAND DR. ZAKIR NAIK TO CONDEMN STRONGLY HIS 'MENTOR' SAUDI ARABIA'S COWRDLY SILENCE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF UMMAH.

stealing is not permissible! Beware Mr.anonymous.

Thanks for liking and copying my posting as it is dated, 20th June 2010-10;57 am, under the titled "Kudos to Dr. Naik, We Muslims are with you"
Dear anonymous, stealing is a sin in Islam.
Even legally or ethically it is not permissible.
Beware in future!

Western and UK's double standards.

Salamo Alikum,

If you see the USA and UK Killed more then 90000 Civilians in Iraq and killed more then 80000 Civilian and still killing Civilian in Afghanistan just by Name of Democracy and freedom of speech but when it comes democracy and freedom of speech in USA and UK they banned people from just a speech. what a double standards.

See the double standards of UK, when Rushdi insult and said hate words in his book about other religions , no one banned him but awarded with rewards every year.

Muslim should React, and this is time to know our responsibilities i suggest to all Muslims specially Arabs to Banned all product of UK, Belgium, France...

Peace.

totally correct

brother u r 100percent correct.i totally agree with you.

Dr. Zakir Nasik doesn't know

Dr. Zakir Nasik doesn't know how privileged he is in India. He consistently makes extremist statements yet he gets preference from both the Central and State Govern,ents , while the truth is that an ordianry, poor Muslim if Govt. has even a drop of suspicion on him the Police will beat him to death in lock-up or fake encounter.

sulaiman

We Muslims in general may not support of follow knowledgeable Zakir Naik's Salafi/ Wahabi brand of Islam, but we must wholeheartedly support him about his condemning Satan American and Israeli's terrorism imposed on Muslim world.
What is wrong if he is raising his voice against injustice done to Muslim Ummah worldwide, particularly the people Palestine, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Iran. Are this two countries and their allies are not killing mercilessly the innocent people of these countries?
I HEREBY ASK AND DEMAND DR. ZAKIR NAIK TO CONDEMN STRONGLY HIS 'MENTOR' SAUDI ARABIA'S COWRDLY SILENCE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF UMMAH.

no sulman bhai we should

no sulman bhai we should give up this habit of dividing ourselves in sects like wahabis ,sunnis or shhhias.and i dont think that dr zakir is what ppl call a wahabi.he hasnt said anything against Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) has he?i listen to many of his lectures and according to my limited knowledge i dont think he`s a wahabi.plz correct me if i`m wrong.and what does it matter even if he is?i mean i know he`s a better Muslim then me being a shis,sunni,wahabi or whatever he is,dont u think?and about the last part of your post,i think he doesnt say many things so that he may not be dragged into politics.

Mr, Sualaiman, theft is sin in Islam!

Dear Mr. Hamza,
It referred to your response to Mr. Sualaiman is actually my comments, titled "Kudos to Dr.Naik, We Muslims are with you", dated 20th June, 2010- 10:57 am.in the same forum.
I have no objection, if Mr. Sualaiman like my comments and pasted it as it is,by putting his name! Though it is not permissible legally and ethically.
Regarding your queries, poor Mr.Sualaiman may not be able to answer you as he is expert in copying others materials and pasting it by his name!!! May Allah forgive him.
I know Dr.Naik and his family since my childhood. He is hardcore Salafi/Wahabi preacher, funded by Saudi monarch.
His many many statements are very controversial, particularly about criticising Imam Hussain and praising Yazid praying for him as Rehmatuallh. He is always condemning Muslim saints like great Khawaja Moinuddin Chisti R.A. and calling Sunni Muslims as grave worshiper. This facts are all on records.
Regarding last para, he is the courtier of Saudi monarch and funded millions and millions by the oil rich monarch to him to propagate and spread Salafi/wahabi brand of Islam in order to counter Shia Iran and Sunni sects.
But in todays context we all Muslim support him against the injustice done to Muslim Ummah worldwide.
Even having differences with his brand of Islam, because he is a courageous and learned man and having guts to speak truth by hook and crooks.
SO WE MUST SUPPORT HIM WHOLEHEARTLY, KEEPING OUR ALL DIFFERENCE ASIDE.

Re-think.

beloved chaand pardesi,
you have got half correct in that volleyball play.Your point of view is correct,one shouldn't be obsessed with human-body. So girls and boys may or may not wear,as they wish. but by default engineering of human-body,if one m\f sees an exposed m\f,gets attracted and his\hers's body will be preparing for a mate and would starting to release dozens of hormones... oh, should have known the axe-effect ha ha....... So take your volleyball situation, u told girls got tits and boys got cock! and what if someone attracted by your wives tits, would you like it or take the case YOU got attracted by someone Else's tits.She will definitely will be someone Else's wife or mother or sister.Would they like it.Moreover this could lead to prostitution which is considered as a great sin in Islam. Our society is also against it,would you agree... So to prevent Islam has laid a set of rules and regulations one of which is 'Adult females should cover their body' and Islam doesn't say to wear purdah but made it compulsory to cover their body and one design that meet this regulation is purdah.she could choose any design that meet this regulation. Now beard, so you doesn't like beard. You know what our god gave us beard not shave it but to grow it and take of that gift and is a special previlage given only to men.
OK now development, you know America is a developed country but they have not succeeded in eradicating poverty. So what is development. It's not about scientific advancement.i insist you to study how the four khalifas ruled and know it modernday economics experts are taking a research on economy based on Islamic rules and they now think if it was implemented we could prevent recession....
Hope you understand. I INSIST YOU TO STUDY WELL ABOUT ISLAMIC PRINCIPLES BEFORE TAKING A COMMENT ON IT FOR ISLAM IS NOW THE MOST MISUNDERSTOOD RELIGION............. MAY GOD BLESS YOU.

The three bulls

There once lived three bulls, a white bull, a black bull, and a red bull. Looking for food, a lion watched them graze together and realized he could not contend with all three. So he went to the black and red bull and made a deal with them. He told them that he was very ferocious and powerful and that if they let him eat the white bull, he would leave them in peace. The black and red bull agreed, and the lion murdered and then ate the white bull.

Time passed and the lion became hungry again. He went to the red bull and argued that he was ferocious and powerful and that if he let him eat the black bull he would leave him in peace. The red bull agreed and the lion murdered and then ate the black bull.

As time passed and the lion became hungry, he visited the red bull again. As the red bull saw death in the lions eye, as the teeth dug deep into it's neck, it shouted, "Verily I was eaten the day the white bull was eaten!"

Wonderful storey of THREE BULLS by...

Wonderful storey of "missing" UNITY by sallahuddin @ 23 June 2010 - 6:24pm.

As an avid reader / visitor of TCN web-site, I just liked the comment / storey - and am sure WISE readers liked, as well.

As the FAMOUS Chinese saying: A picture is worth thousand words.

Sallahuddin's storey is worth much much more for WISE readers.

An Indian

Why should be he banned

Zakir Naik suggests that all Muslim countries(like Saudi arabia)should not allow other religious peacher to enter islamic country for peaching. So why he is cring to enter the UK. Its their previlage. Every non muslim country also can apply his rule.

Naik is a doble standerd hypocrat