What would you suggest to improve Hajj journey?

Haj is one of the five tenets of Islam. It's every muslim's desire to perform Haj at least once in his life time. Performing Haj is obligatory to every sane, financially able and adult muslim.

About 1.64 lakh Indians would be undertaking Haj this year out of which 1.15 lakh would be going through the Haj Committee of India and rest through private operators during the one-month period.

The Haj operations is being carried out from 19 embarkation points as against 17 last year.

The pilgrims would travel on Air India, Saudi Arabian Airlines and National Air Services of Saudi Arabia.The Ministry of Civil Aviation is entrusted with the responsibility of providing air travel facility to Haj pilgrims sponsored by Haj Committee of India.

Start posting your ideas in the comment section below. Discuss and debate the solution not the problem.


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Baby Name

Assalamu alikum i have named to my babe before 1 year as a Nashmia Fatima so please conform me any one is this right name and i have selected from internet at Arabic names list but some are says its parsian name.

Ship is there na....

GoI must start shipping services to KSA so that muslims can stop in middle of Arabian Sea pray in the Kabristan of Osama Bin Laden and proceed from there........

Have information sessions for non-muslims

I would suggest that some of the volunteers should be ready to do small infromation sessions on what Hajj is and transparency on what muslims do during Hajj.

This does not have to be like a conversion kind of exercise but just to increase understanding and familiarity between Muslims and non-muslims. Something like a Open house session and a tour of Haj houses to school kids and university people.

Haj hotel booking

Haj Commmitee should book good hotels in makkah and madinah & not search for the low cost hotels.Where rooms.toilets,lifts etc are inadequate.

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how to improve hajj journey -- no scope for subsidy

Very simple solutions -- but first Muslims need to use common sense.That can be done only once they are able to overcome their emotional sentimental reaction to any issue, which itself comes from ignorance(jahalat) of the crux of the problem.
1.Should anyone keep repeating HAj --- definitely, if he/she can afford it ? ---Definitely, it would be better than frittering away their money and also Eiman in some foreign tour or amusement.
Repeating Hajj gets back the wanderer back to Eiman, piousness and nobilty, he/she will become more useful to humanity.
2.Many ignorant travellers to Haj create lots of disturbance.Training by qualified and experienced personnel should be mandatory before clearing for Haj.
3.Should Muslims ask for subsidy -- Absolutely Not!
If he/she can afford, make the pilgrimage.If not, they should wait till they are able to collect the whole amount.Also, no taking loans with/without interest for this purpose!
4.Bargain collectively(jamaah/group has blessings) for the approx 1.6 to 2 lac Indian travellers and Inshallah if there is an honest and uncorruptible negotiating team for making this huge bulk booking; Saudi Airlines or any other one would have no choice than to bring down the to-and-fro economy fare to 35,000 to 40,000 per person, with all the amenities.
5.Which board or group should do this imp job of negotiating for all these Indian Haj pilgrims?
The corrupt Hajj Committee -- No way! (if Muslims have any sense left).
Maybe the Haj Fund of India members alongwith educated and knowledgable genuine Muslim -- Engineers,genuine Doctors,
Architects,Chartered Accountants, Lawyers, Administrative
officers,etc.-- a total of maybe 99 Professionals with adequate knowledge of Deen also.
Simple Solution to chalk out,isn't it!
But in practice, next to impossible -- Can Muslim Indians get over their own selfishness,small mindedness,and inability to come together for a vital cause leaving aside their petty uninformed opinions,sects,groups,castes; and come to a common platform for a collective strength and benefit.

Haj, its value and importance in present days

Dear all,

Open your eyes wide open with a wider angle and read.

The concept of haj that once it was has no importance now. Once upon time Muslims meet in Haj once in a year and discuss Muslims and Islamic issues. In those day media was not as it is now. the world has become a village and is in our Pam now. i am seeing since 40 years Muslims gather pray weep and cry for liberation of Palestine. Any use ? you think your self.

How it looks that a poor person collects paisa by paisa for haj and spend it in a week with no practical
Political, social, economic etc sparing reward in Jannah.

Every Muslim from India spends Rs 1.5 Lacs on Haj . By Haj committee . 1, 60,000 go to Haj and 40,000 go privately. A wise person can easily guess the economic impact of it on Muslim community of India which are poor , pauper, uneducated and always begging for government aid. This money can very well be utilized for development of Muslims. Remember that Islam is with Muslims, Masques are with Muslims, Muslims are not with Masques.

I am not talking here as Mullah, but as a common Muslim person. I wont say that we should not go to Haj. I will be kafir if i say so. The easiest thing in Islam is to become out of faith/Kafir. You say something which can not be digested, you see wrong, even you think something wrong also will make U out of faith and you become Kafir. Is it not the easiest job in the world? !!!!!
What I will insists at this stage is Muslims should go to Haj once only as a religious act without tall talks of benefits of Haj.

If only once Haj is allowed, then other Muslims will also get chance and there will not any need of Qurrah / Lottery which itself is UnIslamic.
Remember that there are 180 Million Muslims in India, But Haj Quota is only 1,60,000 . How other will get chance if wealthy Muslim repeatedly go to Haj by hook or crook.

Remember again that only one Haj is farz. after that all are nafil and nafil act has least importance in Islam.

To know more about Nafil Haj, Pleae log

http://Nafil-Haj.tk
Thanks and beat wishes

I believe saudi govt. is

I believe saudi govt. is striving hard to provide maximum facilities for hajjis. however the toilet situation in mina tents is unbearable. The number of toilets are extremely low for the hajjis. my suggestion is to make a clear rule that certain number of toilets should be available for certain numbers of hajjis. Let me emphesize again about the unbearable hygeinic situation at mina tents.
Once again I thank the saudi govt. for their sincere services.

haj 2010

haji are also responsible for this situation. specially the indian haji goes there without proper training. I think you have seen many hajis washing and bathing outside the toilet.
there are a number of toilets out side the camp. Alhamdullillah i did not face any problem when last year i performed haj. i usually used the toilets which are on the way to jamarat. they were almost empty.

Reduce the number of Hajis, allow only one haj

Dear all,

Open your eyes wide open with a wider angle and read.

The concept of haj that once it was has no importance now. Once upon time Muslims meet in Haj once in a year and discuss Muslims and Islamic issues. In those day media was not as it is now. the world has become a village and is in our Pam now. i am seeing since 40 years Muslims gather pray weep and cry for liberation of Palestine. Any use ? you think your self.

How it looks that a poor person collects paisa by paisa for haj and spend it in a week with no practical
Political, social, economic etc sparing reward in Jannah.

Every Muslim from India spends Rs 1.5 Lacs on Haj . By Haj committee . 1, 60,000 go to Haj and 40,000 go privately. A wise person can easily guess the economic impact of it on Muslim community of India which are poor , pauper, uneducated and always begging for government aid. This money can very well be utilized for development of Muslims. Remember that Islam is with Muslims, Masques are with Muslims, Muslims are not with Masques.

I am not talking here as Mullah, but as a common Muslim person. I wont say that we should not go to Haj. I will be kafir if i say so. The easiest thing in Islam is to become out of faith/Kafir. You say something which can not be digested, you see wrong, even you think something wrong also will make U out of faith and you become Kafir. Is it not the easiest job in the world? !!!!!
What I will insists at this stage is Muslims should go to Haj once only as a religious act without tall talks of benefits of Haj.

If only once Haj is allowed, then other Muslims will also get chance and there will not any need of Qurrah / Lottery which itself is UnIslamic.
Remember that there are 180 Million Muslims in India, But Haj Quota is only 1,60,000 . How other will get chance if wealthy Muslim repeatedly go to Haj by hook or crook.

Remember again that only one Haj is farz. After that all are nafil and nafil act has least importance in Islam

To know more about Nafil Haj, Pleas log

http://Nafil-Haj.tk

Thanks and beat wishes

IndiaIndia Fraternity

IndiaIndia Fraternity Forum(IFF, Indian Expetriates organisation In Saudi Arabia which is having members from all part of India doing a Volunteer Services at the time of Hajj from last six years. This year also they served with more than 1000 volunters who came from all part of the Saudi Arabia. they served specially in Mina where Haji's badly required help. If we give more support to this group, some of the prblems can be resolved..
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hajj committee of india is

hajj committee of india is organizing this mammoth task for the second largest muslim population in the world! its not an easy job.. yes there are bound to be shortcomings in any public service sector .. with proper management they will soon be overcome ... insha allah!!

India Fraternity Forum (IFF)

IndiaIndia Fraternity Forum(IFF, Indian Expetriates organisation In Saudi Arabia which is having members from all part of India doing a Volunteer Services at the time of Hajj from last six years. This year also they served with more than 1000 volunters who came from all part of the Saudi Arabia. they served specially in Mina where Haji's badly required help. If we give more support to this group, some of the prblems can be resolved...

IFF

of course IFF have done a commendable job I am a witness. They were helping not only Indian Haji but to others specially pakistanis and bangladeshis.

Allah will reward you .go ahead

What will haj committee will

What will haj committee will do ?

Are they puppets in the hands of Government and they can't take any decisions on their own ?

Are haj committee accountable ? if yes why none is sacked for the bad services provided all these years ?

haj services.

no government employee( of haj community) should be allowed to come with the hajjes.employee young youth and Islamic minded youth for servicing the haji in the haj operation.
There is not proper control on the operators.
no hygienic condition prevail in your accommodation in makkah and madina.
it is the worst situation in the camp.
no Islamic sharia.
in one room two couples are sleeping.
it is horrible.
i don't what is the meaning of Islam for haj committee, it is only earning there live hood.
i can expose many things of the haj committee.
i am Md Zia Khan( Jedd ah).but i know the media will completely spoil the reputation of Haj committee so i have not even revealed about it.

A cleaner can come in

A cleaner can come in Aircraft Toilet from Madina to India with the Hajis that itself tell the Quality of service provided by our so-called Haj Committees ?

Did any one take the moral responsibility for the quality of services provided to Hajis and resign on moral ground ?

Did anyone or Haj committees is serious to take the opinion from Hajis, what difficulties they have faced during the haj and how these holy and important journey can be improved in future ?

How the tour operators appointed and what grounds they will disqualified, who will take the notice and what are the procedures are followed ?

Haji must have complete satisfaction!

Alhamdulillah, i recently performed my Third haj in the company of my wife and son.I have all praise for the private Tour Operator for his 5-star hospitality and abiding care and concern for the hajis.
However, my experience with Saudi officials at the airports and other places of pilgrimage has not been good."Hajis are deemed the 'Guests of Allah'!"Yet the officials' emotional tantrums leaves much to be desired.If more number of persons are employed to cope with the increasing number of hajis, the needed change could take place.
Lastly, I felt that the "sanctity '"of the two harems has been sacrificed in the name of "commercialisation of comfort"!

Haj pilgrimage

!. First preference be given persons who go to Haj for the first time in their lives.
2.Haj Committee and PrivateTour Operators must secure fullest possible details from applicants like pan card number; medical certificate from a registered medical practitioner that he has robust health to undergo the strain and stress of haj rituals;a declaration that he is ready to pay for the haj expenses from his halal income only;
3. Those who perform "Hajje badal" should disclose that fact and give details
as to for whom he is undertakiing the pilgrimage and the quid pro quo
4.Saudi authorities, namely, custom Police and Muallim's personnel should be courteous towards hajis and smart in their dealings.
5. Sanitary arrangements and wastage management be given high preference and periodical checks be undertken.
6.Specialzed staff be deployed by Tour operators to help hajis at haj terminals and in luggage collection and its transportation.
7. Aged and infirm hajis be provided with wheel chair facilitites for tawwaf and sayee.Thse engaged in such work be licen ced and their service charges be properly regulated.
8. The muallim and tour operators should know that they ar in :service industry and passenger's comfort should be thei main comcern.

regarding improvement in facilities provided during haj

sir ,Assalamoalikum.i had perform haj last year along with my parents.my father today he is no more in the world.he suffered lots of problems because our residetial building alloted to us in mecca was in very worst condition even situated at very very sliding level .building was very dirty lots of insects was there like cockroch khatmal ana little snakes inspite of various complaints no action has beeb taken by haj authorities. drinking water as well as common water was not up to the requirement .althouth we apply in first class category but the facilities provided by haj coomittee was worst than third class. till today no refund has made by haj commitee.so proper facilities should be provided to all hajis .

First step, Haraam khori

First step, Haraam khori should be stopped like taking Haj subsidy for attending this superstitious myth. If Kashmir cannot have an Amarnath Yatra, you cannot have Haj houses polluting our cities.

Hey anonymous togadia!Haj is

Hey anonymous togadia!Haj is not superstition and islam is not a mythology.There is nothing wrong with subsidy.Your all mandirs have free electricity,free water,free trains,free buses.
If 20 lakh army cannot protect Amarnath yatris then sack these haraamkhor soldiers and employ muslim soldiers we will provide you safe passage.
All india is full of filthy roads,with men and women squatting on roads.All bldgs have dirty toilets without running water.Even Ganges river is full of dirt because of dirty people like you.

Haj subsidy and RSS propaganda

Any private airline will jump at the prospects of a guaranteed booking of nearly 2 lakh passangers every year in a short duartion of about 2 months, that too a round trip.
With such a massive booking without any advertizing expenditure, any airline would reduce the fares, offer goodies to the passangers.
The Haj subsidy is clearly an act of throwing dust in people's eyes. And RSS is using it as a propaganda tool against muslims.

Try flying to JEDDAH for HAJJ paying Rs 12000/-.

In Haj operations, the aircraft that transport the passenger to Jeddah returns empty. Similarly, on the return journey from Jeddah, the passenger traffic is again one way. This doubles the cost of operation. Under a bilateral agreement between India and Saudi Arabia, any Indian going for the Haj has to fly by Air India or Saudi Arabian Airlines. SAA charges USD 850 per pilgrims (Rs 38250 @Rs 45 a Dollar) for each return seat. Rs 12,000 is paid by each pilgrim for the round trip to Jeddah/Medina and the remaining cost is paid by the government as subsidy to the airlines transporting the pilgrims. Other International charterers US$ 975/- (43875). From Lahor the airfare is Rs 49500/-.

subsidy

who wants subsidy . but give us free hand . so we can manage our selves

Who is stopping MUSLIMS from trying private airlines for HAJJ??

ANIS SAB, Who is stopping MUSLIMS from trying private airlines for HAJJ?? When Muslims can launch an agitation disrupting life in INDIA for a cartoon in DANISH NEWS PAPER, what is stopping MUSLIMS from launching an agitation for STOPPING HAJJ SUBSIDY (which is HARAM) and allowing use of private air lines for HAJJ???

The reason why knowledgeable MUSLIMS are keeping quite is because HAJJ is NOT exactly "round trip" as you claim. At the commencement of HAJJ, planes will be full while going to SAUDI but will have to return empty to India to pick up more HAJJ pilgrims as the one's who has reached Saudi will not commence return journey till HAJJ is over and there is unlikely to be such huge return traffic at that time. After HAJJ all pilgrims will be traveling back to India with hardly anyone going to SAUDI. So again one way trip will go empty. More over remember, it requires more than 450- 350 seater planes to ferry HAJJIs and even from PAK and Bangladesh MUSLIMS will be going to HAJJ at the same time.

The facade of SUBSIDY to IA is a cover to get over the QUR'AN verse on HAJJ and prevent the HAJJ pilgrimage from turning HARAM.

Don't Tax

Yes, Rules doesnot permit Haj Committee to go for global tender.

This subsidy is an eye wash. We don't want subsidy as given for Amarnath Yatra or Kumbh but we don't want to be taxed for the pilgrimage. Historicaly in India all religous activities remained tax free from State.

Air Indias poor maagement.

Air india is suffering huge lossess during non haj period operations.Noone likes,including devout indians to fly with air india as the aircrafts are old,service is poor,and fare is too high.therefore they are not getting any seats on their return trip.Poor management skills of all RSS managers should be highlighted and immidiately sacked and give all the control of flights to 100% muslim staff.

Why SAUDI AIR taking Rs39000/- per Indian Muslim HAJJ pilgrim ??

Saudi Air Lines ferry half the HAJJ pilgrims from India to SAUDI and back charging 850 Dollars per return ticket which is Rs 38250 @ Rs45/- per dollar. Is SAUDI AIR also poorly managed. After "discontinuing HAJJ subsidy in PAKISTAN", a return air ticket from LAHOR is "equivalent to 49000 Indian Rupees" while KARACHI return ticket is "equivalent to 42000 Indian Rupees". All the HAJJ boarding points in India are EAST of KARACHI, situated further away from JIDDAH and so return air fare could be between Rs 55000/- to 60,000/- per pilgrim. Any way let any MUSLIM try to get a return ticket for HAJJ ar Rs 12000/-, that is what the MUSLIMS pay presently. WHY DOESN'T SAUDI AIRLINES FLY INDIAN MUSLIMS AT Rs 12000/-???????

A word of caution TO INDIAN MUSLIMS. PAKISTAN discontinued HAJJ subsidy because it was "HARAM" as per Surah 22- AL-HAJJ of QUR'AN. So all INDIAN MUSLIMS who have performed HAJJ availing GOVT subsidy have violated QUR'AN direction- "make pilgrimage (Hajj) to the House of Allaah, in Makkah, if you have the means to do so”. SO THE HAJJ PERFORMED IS INEFFECTIVE.

Need to Improve a lot

Assalamu Alaikum,

There is no doubt that the Indian govt is taking massive steps to improve the service for Haji's. But there is lot to improve...

What i think is..
1) Proper training needs to provided to all the Haji's
2) Most of the Haj's are above 55 and not educated. Hence they wud require special care and guidance.
3) Govt has to deploy more and more guides and volunteers at Meena.
4) Sim card connections and other facilities to be provided before the travel in India itself.

5) Effective transport system from Mecca to Meena.
6) Especially during peek time of Hajj, Indian team should guide and take care of their Haji's.

7) Those who crossed 60 should be given priority in accomodation, transportaion, medical etc.

Hope our govt works towards it.

May Allah Protect and Bless all the Haji's. Aameen..

Haj should be managed by Draul Uloom

Haj should be managed by Draul Uloom and applications should be processed online on the "first come first served" basis.

As inernet connection is available in every nook and corner, this can create a lot of short term job opportunities also for everyone.

Airtravel should be tendered as one single package including boarding/lodging.

Hajj movement

AI having surplus capacity of aircraft used thier own as against leased aircraft as done every year.
It is also known that Saudia airline undertakes 50 % of the quota of 120000 i.e. 60000 hajjis charging Indian goverment US$ 850/- per hajji as full charter inclusive of all cost & fuel, however this year, NAS have been favoured 22500 hajjis from Saudia ( unilaterally) quota charging goverment US$ 1100/- per hajji, a clear loss to GOI by US$ 250/- per hajji. This is in competition as available at US$ 975/- per hajji from other International charterers, a clear case of unilateral decision against the Govt. policy of availing cost effective means of transport as the entire Hajj movement is subsidised by the GOI.
NAS is not a recognised airline/charterer by the GOI for undertaking this operation as is handled by NOVA in India having brokered this deal & margins of US$ 2.00 million in this operation, a clear loss to GOI.
About 60000 hajjis are undertaken by AI - India at US$ 1400/- as charged to GOI in view of various places of offtake internally on HUB & SPOKE basis.
A look into this matter is necessary.

Problem???

As salam aleykum, firstly we need to know what all things are lacking from the perspective of a person who has done hajj with totally two different places(e.g. from US and India or with in India from govt. and private).

Sound Hajj has no reward except Paradise.(bukhari&muslim)

Before starting for hajj journey, one should attend a training course in which all the aspects of hajj,travelling,food,health,and other related topics are covered by experienced scholars.
Pilgrims should avoid unnecesary luggage like utensils,eating plates,etc as these are availble there at reasonable price if reqd.
Ahram cloth should be suitable for the winter season.
Pilgrims may carry common medicine for cold like zandu balm, amrutanjan etc.In case of sickness they can visit health centers available all along the places of hajj rites.
Pilgrims should take extra care to safeguard their travel documents like passport,ticket and money.
Pilgrim should not be left alone otherwise one can miss the ritual of hajj.
Keep on asking questions about next steps to be taken to the guide.
Upon arrival in saudi arabia hotel familiarize yourself with area and roads.
Purchase a mobile phone simcard.Avoid making calls(expensive),just use it for receiving calls.
In haram sharief(kaaba masjid) there are more than 75 doors,make sure from which door no. you are entering and exiting.Carry your slippers along with you.
Try to reach early in the mosque(30 minutes before each namaz).
During tawaf saee'e keep your purse and documents safe.
Donot get angry at other pilgrims shortcomings,and be patient.
Carry luggage as minimum as possible.Avoid purchasing gold jewellery etc.
Airlines should avoid serving hajis with scantily dressed airhostesses.Airlines shouldnot run music, cinemas and other unislamic programmes.
http://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_books/signal/en_HajjandUmrahfromAtoZ...

Indian HUJJAJ are VICTIM of GOVERNMENT OF INDIA POLICY

Indian HUJJAJ are VICTIM of GOVERNMENT OF INDIA POLICY
1) Currency conversation Monopoly
2) Air India Monopoly
Currency conversation

Currency conversation Monopoly
Most of hujjaj are coming to hajj are visiting Makkah and Madina only
Indian Hujj committee first taking money from them and converting to them @ USD on higher Pries then market rate ,Then again they are converting and providing them in Saudi Riyal. By both way they are providing benefits to banks.
Here evry haji is losing around RS 10000 to RS15000
This practice should be stopped and must be done by state Hajj committee on the bais of online tender
1) Air India Monopoly
Saudi Airline fare Starting from 350 USD round the trip to 1000 USD maximum at peak seasons from Delhi
Gulf air flights starting from 150 USD to 1200USD round the Trip from Delhi at Peak season
Air India flights starting from 300USD to 1200 USD Round the trip from Delhi at Peak season
But they AIR india are charging @ 1100USD and government is additionally providing Subsidy to Hajjis through Air India RS.47454 (100USD) per HAJI as per 2007 government data.
Every Haji is losing around from their pocket RS 3000 to 35000.
Government is losing on the name of Subsidy 47454 as per 2007 government data /per HAJI,
Haji is also loosing on other things but above 2 are the major things.
Above data can be verified from related Airline website

It is requested to Two circle .net to make final report and provide to PM, president

Advise to Hajis

1. Hajis advised to purchase SIM cards after arrival in Makkah, activate the Cell phone and inform family & fellow Hajis their number soas to be traceable, plus update in memory fellow Hajis nr, group leader nr., Indian Mission(Makkah& Madina office) number's etc...
2.Hajis advised not to move alone in Makkah, Madina, Mina, Arafat etc... as some lost Hajis still untraceable more than a month after completion of Hajj.
3. Hajis to memorise the nearest Gate number of Harem Masjid in Makkah and Harem Masjid of Madina and use it for easy access& exit.
4. Hajis to memorise or keep their complete Coordinates written on their Wallet/Pocket, like Bldg number, locality-area name,Street name, Bldg-floor number, door number,Nationality, Travels name or Indian Hajj Commitee mentioned in address, Muallim number&name, Passport number etc...plus Indian home address with multiple contact telephone+ mobile numbers+ to Contact whom during emergency with multiple Contact detail.
5. Get Hajj updates from www.cgijeddah.com, Indian Consulate Jeddah everyear establish Indian Missions in main areas where Indian Hajis live in Makkah and Madina, know their Contact info and contact them for any assistance during the Hajj stay in KSA.(Mr. B.S. Mubarak,Hajj Consul-E-mail: chaj@cgijeddah.com)Tel/Fax: 009662-652 0084.
6. If any valuable/Cash lost, pls. Complain to Lost items office located inside the Harem Masjid Compound giving ur Contact cell nr+ detail of items lost.(Either lost Valuables will be returned if traced or Compensation will be given later)Another office in the Harem Masjid outer Veranda stores all lost and found items like Mobile sets, Wallets, Watches, Cash etc..pls Visit this office occassionaly and provide detail of lost items, and check if your lost item is found there.
7. Common health issues faced by Hajis will be "skin dryness incl. lips which hurts" best solution is to apply Labello cream on lips available in any shop in Makkah/Madina. Cracks appear on toes, apply crack creams like Moov, Himalaya crack cream also available in any Pharmacy shop in Makkah/Madina. Use Hair Oils & body lotion to avoid skin dryness.
8. Consume lot of quality Laban/Yogart or Dhahi available in Makkah& Madina and maintain Good Health.

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