Living together separately: Ghettoization of Muslims
Submitted by admin3 on 14 April 2010 - 10:19pm
By Ather Farouqui,
With the spectre of communalism raising its ugly head all across the country, Muslim ghettoization is emerging as a grave and complex problem that requires urgently to be addressed. It has a decisive bearing on communalism. Unfortunately, it has not drawn any serious attention.
It is common knowledge that during the last two decades, Muslim families have faced enormous difficulties in renting houses and flats in developed residential areas, which are obviously Hindu-dominated areas, as Hindu landlords tend to shun Muslim tenants even if they belong to the same social class and enjoy equal or better footing in society. In Bombay, for instance, a large majority of housing societies openly refuse membership to Muslims. In other cities, too, it is difficult for a Muslim to get an apartment in a housing society. Landlords and housing societies generally may not openly say no to Muslims but adopt various subterfuges. If a well-known Muslim cine artist in Bombay finds it difficult to rent a house from a Hindu landlord, the plight of the common Muslim as well as the gravity of the situation can be estimated.[1]
Muslim ghettoization began after partition but gathered pace with slow but steady migration of Muslims from rural to urban areas. Amongst other factors, the abolition of zamindari was a major factor for Muslim migration to urban areas as Muslims were the community most affected by the zamindari abolition. The second most important factor was the emerging insecurity as with the partition mass migration changed the sociology of demography. In the seventies and eighties it became a worrying phenomenon. Rural India is almost entirely bereft of Muslims except in Assam, Kerala and West Bengal. The villages of north India particularly, where Muslim presence was once 5-10 per cent, are now inhabited only by Hindus. The Muslim population has gradually been forced to migrate to Muslim localities in nearby towns. In all of north India, barring Jammu & Kashmir—which is itself a ghettoised Muslim society—it is difficult to find even a single Muslim family in Hindu-dominated areas even in towns and cities.
In general, Muslims are forced to settle in Muslim-majority areas with poor infrastructure and civic facilities, for which the government alone is to blame.
Until the early nineties, one could find Muslim government servants occupying government housing in areas where the majority of the population was not Muslim. But even here, a change has been visible since 1992. To take just one example: a large number of Muslim teachers of Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) in New Delhi, reputedly an enlightened institution with liberal outlook and social sensitivity, prefer to live in Muslim-dominated colonies or ghettos rather than on university campus after 1992.
The result of this phenomenon is that all over the country Muslim families are to be seen only in areas that can be termed as ‘Muslim clusters’. Muslim staff members as well as the old generation of teachers at JNU, have mostly returned to Muslim-dominated areas after retirement. An employee of the World Bank or a foreign mission, owing to fear psychosis, is often forced to live in places like the Jama Masjid area of Old Delhi, though his social profile certainly does not match that of the average inhabitant of the walled city. It has become common for families that moved from the walled city to New Delhi some fifty years ago to move back to their old family homes simply because they do not feel secure in Hindu-dominated areas.
Jamia Nagar, near New Friends Colony in south Delhi, boasts huge Muslim elite which shifted there after 1992. Land costs here have gone through the roof owing to limited space and tremendous demand as each new day brings more families, even NRIs, needless to say Muslim NRIs, seeking a safe foothold in Delhi further straining the already poor infrastructure. Such is the state of infrastructure here that Jamia Nagar, which adjoins the campus of theJamia Millia Islamia, a central university, does not even have a government dispensary or a branch of a public sector bank (though there is one on the university campus). Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit admitted the lack of these bare minimum facilities in the area in a TV interview after the Batla House shootout. The disturbing thing was that she had been unaware of the situation despite having been ten years at the helm of affairs in Delhi.
Jamia Nagar conjoins many Muslim colonies such as Batla House, Zakir Nagar, Abul Fazal Enclave, Ghaffar Manzil, Johri Farm, Noor Nagar, and Okhla Vihar. This whole area, with a population of about 10 lakh, is a victim of official apathy. The situation is not unique to Delhi but prevails in all state capitals and district towns.
No multinational bank provides the inhabitants of Muslim colonies with credit cards and MNC pizza and burger outlets, based in nearby posh areas refuse to deliver in these areas. The capital city of India, New Delhi, is no exception. Even housing loans are not extended by most nationalized banks in Muslim areas in Delhi and New Delhi, Jamia Nagar being just one example.
Who is responsible for this increasing ghettoisation of Muslims? Civil society is squarely to blame. Let me quote two instances which were widely reported at the time and still haunt the memory. The house of the famous Urdu poet Bashir Badr, who insisted on living in the Hindu-dominated colony of Shastri Nagar in Meerut because of his immense faith in secularism and popularity as poet amongst Hindus was lost to a communal blaze in the late 1987. Fortunately, the lives of his family members were saved as everyone was out at the time of the incident. Much worse was the assassination of Zaki Anwar, a college lecturer and Urdu writer, during the infamous Jamshedpur riots in 1979. Zaki had unshakeable faith in his Hindu neighbours, Hindu-Muslim unity, and Gandhian philosophy. He sat on a Gandhian-type long-drawn-out hunger strike in a Hindu-majority area to protest against communal tension. But all that his faith and his striving for togetherness and amity led to was his brutal killing. In both cases, it can be inferred that the Hindu neighbourhoods did not live up to the faith of the victims, whatever the reasons. Bashir Badr now lives in Bhopal and Zaki Anwar’s family in Jamshedpur, both in Muslim-dominated areas. One needs to study the case of Bashir Badr in perspective as he supported the BJP during NDA rule and is now a Muslim poster boy of the BJP in Madhya Pradesh. He made an all-India tour during the general elections of 2004 to convince Muslims to support the BJP and Atal Bihari Vajpayee as Prime Minster.
The poignant story of former Member of Parliament Ehsan Jafri, brutally murdered in a Hindu-dominated area in Ahmedabad in the 2002 Gujarat pogrom, is etched in the nation’s memory. No civil society can withstand repeated incidents of this kind.
The Bhagalpur riots of 1989 led to large-scale migration of rural Muslims in Bihar and the demolition of the Babri Masjid on 6 December 1992, and the resultant backlash drove the last nail in the coffin of Hindu-Muslim neighbourhoods all over the country. As per press reports on the Bhagalpur riots, in all the neighbouring villages of Bhagalpur, where Muslims constituted less than 10 per cent of the population, the majority were killed and only a few managed to flee. In Hashimpura locality of Meerut, 40 Muslim youths were taken away by the police in May 1987 and massacred in cold blood and their bodies thrown in the canal.
In sharp contrast, not a single incident has been reported of a non-Muslim, in particular a Hindu, family living in a Muslim-dominated area having faced a similar situation during communal tension or violence in India after independence.
All the same, post-1992 one can find hardly any Hindu family in a Muslim-majority locality, which was not the case earlier. Overall, the extremely surcharged atmosphere has forced non-Muslim families to shift out, turning their original abodes into Muslim ghettos by default. The phenomenon of a few Muslim families still living in Hindu dominated areas and vice versa needs serious sociological study.
The question is: does communal ghettoisation represent the death of our hitherto composite culture and liberal and tolerant outlook or can we still do something to save it? Do we have the option of remaining silent? The answer is decidedly no. The question then is: what can be done to set the clock back and foster communal harmony? It will take a lot of courage and determination to figure out the answers but that is the only way forward if secular democracy is to survive. And we have to do it before it is too late. A new and reformed politics shunning populism is a necessary step forward.
But we have to keep in mind that communal categorisation and communal identity perception can be resolved only through progressive mass movements dealing with issues pertaining to different facets of our shared life. Not for a moment does the term progressive refer to movement prescribed by different left wing political parties. The ideological confusion and resultant contradictions of these parties are more dangerous than the communalism. Movements for literacy, education, sports facilities, employment, health care, shelter, and community interaction can help develop a wider political and social consciousness, thereby lessening the communal identity perception of the common people.
This is also the only way forward if Indian democracy is to survive. And we have to do it before it is too late.
1. The shameful incident of Emran Hashmi, a noted film actor of Bombay, in July 2009 and a number of other incidents of the same nature in which high-profile Muslims were refused houses, highlight the problem. As per reports, Emran [Imran] Hashmi was ‘told by [the] Pali Hill’s Nibbana Cooperative Housing Society, [Bombay] to go and look elsewhere’. The actor, who is married to a Hindu girl, and interestingly whose mother is a Christian, ‘believes the housing society is discriminating against him because he is a Muslim’. He has further informed the media, ‘The seller, Survana, has now informed us that the society will not give us an NOC and it has blocked the sale. We have information that this has been done as they will not allow any Muslim in the society’.
It would be appropriate to remember that in the past, Bollywood actress Shabana Azmi, one-time Member of Parliament and her writer-activist husband Javed Akhtar, now a Member of Parliament, have faced problems getting a house in Juhu (Bombay). As per press reports appeared at the time of Emran Hashmi incident, we came to know that once actor Aamir Khan also filed a PIL after being refused a house in Lokhandwala, Maharashtra.
For a detailed report of the Emran Hashmi issue, see The Times of India, New Delhi, 31 July 2009 which published a news items entitled ‘ Emran Hashmi can’t get a house in Pali Hill’ on the front page with additional information entitled ‘Being a celeb does not mean you get everything’ on page 11.
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A version of this article first appeared in the Times of India
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Yes: In conversation, it
Yes: In conversation, it should not be one sided, otherwise boat will collapse. Instead of going towards West, I choose to stay in Noida 30 years back and not going to other favourite areas. Leaving India and staying in Jamia Nager like area is not the answer. One has to take the risk/chance, expect odds to move forward. But the problem is, can everybody handle them well, especially the less fortunate ones. Me with having two children as Defence Officers still feel that time is not ripe to venture. Well planned activites who are working for decades with their own agenda to suppress,creating problems and terrorise. Me and my wife had to face some nuts/residents saying us to go to Pakistan. List is long. Should we give them blows on their faces? Sick minds. Best is venture in groups, celebrate Housewarming/Grahparwesh in a big way with some patakhas and some VVIP, Delhi style ie. a little show-off. Keep in touch with your native place, relatives and friends. And has to fight for their rights, honour, livelihood and existance. There is no short-cut. Harket men barkat. Choice is ours.
faruqi - photojournalist
celebrateHousewarming/Grahpravesh
I am extremely happy and
I am extremely happy and reliefed that this topic have come-up and have read healthy and non-healthy/sick comments and more and more will come and diffirent agencies / parties will come to their senses. Funda is shimpal... When one cant control their own children, locality, city, then how come one can control with so many communities with "lara-lappi" policies. You sow and you have to reap. Should we go like of Israeli pattern. Are they really successful? This type of suspect, loosing of faith, unwanted troubling and worrisome results does not last long. Rectify, sooner the better. One cant fool the whole world for all times. Choice is yours..
faruqi - photojournalist
Raam never said that he is God, watch this video
Please watch this "YouTube" video answered by Ex Acharya Sanjay Prasad Dwivedi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJiXDKPqJvw&feature=related
Acharya Sanjay Prasad Dwivedi converted to Islam, after completing his studies at Benaras. Thank you.
An Indian
Housing or Rioting
Last week, Sharad Pawar, the Union minister for Agriculture and the President of National Congress Party, which is a partner with Indian National Congress ruling coalition in Maharashtra, had called for a Muslim quota in government built housing in Mumbai.
Sharad Pawar is not known for any special soft corner for Muslims, in as much he is infamous for being one of the two Congress leaders that were the cause of prolongation of Bombay Riots in the aftermath of Babri Demolition. He, as the then Union Defence Minister, stationed at Bombay, had forces under his command to instantly organise a show of force to stop rioters going berserk in the city. He failed in his public duty by playing one-upmanship game with the then Congress Chief Minister.
Only this week, under Sharad Pawar's home minister, R. R. Patel, the state prosecution had failed to properly present its case against a batch of Bombay rioters and the court has set them free. It merely followed an old pattern of being soft on Bombay rioters by deliberately diluting their cases.
Sharad Pawar is also widely believed to have been instrumental in ordering direct firing on a grand peaceful Muslim rally taken out to protest against Israeli incursion in Al Aqsa Masjid --- a firing in which 12 Muslim protestors died. It was wanton murder of innocents.
On the positive side, he did allot a good sized plot for Muslim community housing, through one of his close Muslim party man, Late Maulana Ziauddin Bukhari, who completed the project of Millat Nagar that houses. Mumbai's first government approved Masjid is built within the colony. Maulana Ziauddin Bukhari was later gunned down supposedly over being more vocal than politically correct in speaking for Muslims caught in Bombay riots.
Sharad Pawar has a knack to court Muslims through co-opting Muslim politicians from other political parties and showing them off as decoration pieces for electoral propaganda exercisees.
His call for separate quota for Muslims is nothing but an attempt to ingratiate himself with Mumbai's sizable Muslim population, which is about 3 million in the total of 13.5 million and which forms a big percent chunk of Congress/NCP vote bank in the city. Out of 3 million Muslims, about 2 million (20 lakh) live in slum areas.
Still it should be noted that in comparison with Sharad Pawar, the Sonia’s Indian National Congress has never bothered to 'appease' Muslims by even justified affirmative actions to give them a fair share in public housing. (75% of Singapore population resides in public housing).
An ongoing campaign of demonization of Muslims keeps them in check from demanding any share in public pie, be that education, employment, health, housing, banking finances, trade opportunities. The continuous hauling of innocent Muslims following several bomb blast events gives media a god-sent opportunity to put ninety nine percent of Indian Muslims on the defensive through collective guilt innuendo.
Besides, it is anybody's guess how sincere and bureaucratically feasible is Sharad Pawar's call to do justice with Muslim population of Mumbai and Maharashtra. Recently, NCP has benefited through overwhelming Muslim votes in its recent electoral successes. Muslims will have to see how Sharad Pawar's call translates into real term accommodations for Muslims in Mumbai and Maharashtra where NCP has ambitions to take over the government by defeating Indian National Congress, as well as Shiv Sena and BJP. Will Sharad Pawar resort to housing or rioting? Only time will tell.
HINDUS ARE NOT HINDUS & MUSLIMS ARE NOT MUSLIMS TODAY
THE MAIN CAUSE OF FOR PRESENT COMMUNAL DIFFERENCES AND CONSEQUENLY CLASHES AND UNREST IS BECAUSE MUSLIMS HAVE CEASED TO MUSLIMS AND HINDUS HAVE CEASED TO BE HINDUS. ONCE THIS CHANGES AND MUSLIMS BECOME REAL AND GOOD MUSLIMS AND HINDUS BECOME REAL AND GOOD HINDUS, COMMUNALISM WILL DISAPPEAR FROM OUR LAND.
IN SUCH A LAND OF PEACE, LET MY COUNTRY AWAKE !
"The Muslim kings forcibly
"The Muslim kings forcibly and brutally converted Hindus"
The muslim kings had all the power,they could have converted all hindus forcibly,couldn't they have.But india is still a hindu majority.Even if we add populations of bangladesh and pakistan,it would still be a hindu majority.My logic tells me that this story of forced conversions is deceptive and fictionalized.
Must read history
The MUSLIM KINGS directly ruled India from 1200AD to 1720AD for about 520 years, mostly the gangetic plain- rest- South India, Maharashtra, Odissa, Rajastan etc were ruled by Hindus who paid tax to Muslims . That rule was mostly by the "nomadic invasion" of Muslims from Afghan, Central Asia Iran etc who would come down to India in winter months to "LOOT & PLUNDER" and go back during hot summer months, never permanently settling down in India but leading a "nomadic" life. Even the Mughals were NOMADS- living mostly in tented camps. These ISLAMIC invaders did destroy all Hindu temple (not a single Hindu temple older than 1720 exist in the Gangetic plain of India) and forcibly converted most Hindus. But the history of India from 1720 to 1860 - 140 years, which is seldom discussed changed all that. MARATHAS and SIKHS controlled most of India from Allahabad to Attock & Jammu to Madurai(TN) from 1720. Muslims were exterminated in large numbers from 1720 till British took over and rest ran back to Iran, Afghan and Buhara. From 1857-60, the British too killed off large number of Muslims in Gangetic plain- the massacre was unparallelled in the history resulting in further exodus of "Irani and Turani" Muslims out of India. The 140 year persecution of Muslims from 1720- 1860, first by MARATHAS & SIKH and then by British is the reason for depleting Muslims population in India. Had the 227 year rule of India from 1720 to 1947, first by Marathas & Sikhs and then by British not happened India too would have been an ISLAMIC COUNTRY.
Root of the Problem
I will not live in dreams and as you said there is integration of some muslims into the mainstreams in some states such as Kerala,Tamil Nadu and Westbengal and not in some states esp in North India like UP and Gujarat which has the Braminical mindset.
There is a resentment against muslims among many Hindus, Jains and Sikhs. Whatis the root cause of the problem? My feelings:
1. Muslims do not encourage religious pluralism from the time of Mohammed. Mohammed used to take protection money/extra tax from Non Muslims. Islam was founded more on the basis of a religious colonization that a Spiritual yearning like Hinduism.
2. This encouraged Muslim kings to spread their might in Indian subcontinent and ransack the wealth of temples destroy them. The Muslim kings forcibly and brutally converted Hindus. Some were made to convert for royal patronage (A Hindu king never did this). The Hindu culture, art and litrature suffered to Arabic hegemony.
Note: There are also a lot of Muslims esp in Kashmir who were converted in a positive way by being influenced by Sufi preachings. Also there were many Muslim kings that were exceptionally secular like Akbar, Shahajahan and Hyderabad rulers before the Nizams like the Qutub Shais who encoraged Hindu art and infact married Hindu girls.
3. Partition of India was viewed as India loosing a lot of land. There were trains of dead Hindus coming from Pakistan (Even muslims were killed by Hindus). Islam was seen as a Foreign or non Indigenous religion that took a large chunk of Indian land. (The resentment would have been less had an Indian religion like Buddhism, Jainism of Sikhism been given) land.
Note: I disagree with this view as ultimately it is the peoples choice if they have to be part of India or not.In this point of view I support a plebiscite and an eventual cessation of Kashmir if so the people desire.
4. Appeasement and exaggerated Minority rights. A Minority do not need permission to open an institution, Divorce laws are different, poligomy is allowed for them even after Pakistan them-self have stopped it. This has caused resentment among Hindus.
5. Terrorism and Anti national activities by Islamic groups. Killing of innocent people in Bomb blasts.
Note: The Islamic fundamentals should understand that they are doing a great disservice more to Muslims than to anybody else by engaging in such activities.
Apart from this some cultural difference, perceived threat of terrorism, dressing differences and Beef eating and some Hindus wrongly perceiving that muslims lack a sense of Hygiene etc combined with the Braminical mindset of Pseudo suoeriority prevent Hindus from renting Houses to Muslims which is really unfortunate.
If I were in power I would enact a law where in such discrimination based on religion and castes would be severely punished.
Luckily this is not the case everywhere as I have seen a lots and lots of Muslims living in posh Hindu dominated localities in various cities. Also the action taken by the government as a follow-up of the Sachar committee recommendation is very Positive. I feel there is still a lot of light of hope considering he maturity levels of the younger generation in India.
Enough of propganda Mr.Farouqui,
Well Mr. writer you have tried hard to prove that Muslims only live in cities and are in villages of kerela,Bengal and Assam only.
Mr.writer either you are ignorant or purposely doing all this. Muslims have huge population in UP and Bihar and they cannot be called Minorities.A community having a presence of 25-30% cannot be called a weak community.In west and east Uttar Pradesh they have a very strong presence.Same is the case with Bihar.
The writer has given many example of muslim being killed in riots ,what about Hindus being killed in riots.
I can give you example of Purnia Division of Bihar where Muslims are in majority more then 100 Hindus were killed in riots in the year 1992. Still in districts of Araria and Kishanganj of Bihar Hindu population is forced to leavr thier villages and live in constant fear .
I hope this will be publisshed by the website.
Why blame everyone else for weakness of MUSLIMS
Muslims all over the world insist on projecting a separate identity which ever society they live in. The Muslims of UK, USA, Thailand, India, Philippines, Vietnam, Myanmar etc etc all do everything possible to be identified as a distinct entity but when "rest of them" start treating MUSLIMS as s "separate group", the Muslims resent it. Blaming everyone else for all the ills of ISLAMIC SOCIETY has become the favorite past time of MUSLIMS. Why blame everyone else when MUSLIMS themselves segregate.
Give a house to a MUSLIM and next thing will be that they want to cut a "qurbani ka bakara" in the residential complex claiming it as their constitutional right. What Muslims must realise is that the same constitution grants everyone else the right to rent out their house to anyone they please.
In rural India Muslims are identified as less hygienic- visit any village in Rajastan- Hindu villages will be clean with cow dung plastered houses while Muslim villages will have chicken feathers flying around. On BAKRID day the Muslim villagers will sit around a cow and slaughter it the HALAL way. Why does MUSLIMS sacrifice cows on Bakrid when ABRAHAM actually sacrificed a RAM- (male sheep)to ALLAH especially in parts of North India where some Hindus consider cow sacred??
As far as possible, Muslims tend to restrict their economic activity around other MUSLIMS. Muslims prefer to visit shops owned by Muslims even while buying gold. Four-FIVE gold shops just 500 meters appart in one of the big cities has about 40-50% Muslim customers in the Muslim owned shop with NOT more than 1-2 Muslims in the Hindu/ Christian owned shops, when the population of Muslims in that city is only 10-12%. The distinct dress Muslims insist on wearing make it easy to identify these behaviour of MUSLIMS.
There are many MUSLIM friends many non-MUSLIMS have but NOT a single ISLAMIC friend can any non-ISLAMIC person ever have. It is ISLAM which makes MUSLIMS inhuman and mis-fit in mixed societies.
If muslims are so
If muslims are so unheiginic,always try to maintain a separate identity,are very bad,then why don't you tell your Indian Army(raped whole kashmiri village from a 13 yr old girl to a 80 year old moribund woman,very hiegienic indeed) to get out of muslim dominated Kashmir,tell your indian govt. to not take revenues earned from Taj Mahal,Qutub Minar,Humayun's Tomb(Jinke bharose india's tourism chalta hai).
Also tell your Hindu brothers to stop flocking to Gulf(very unheiginic indeed) in search of bread.
As far as nonhygiene among north indian muslims is concerned its due to poverty,illiteracy(which will go away with time,GOD WILLING).
As far as qurbani is concerned ,again more hindus than muslims are meat eaters.First make them stop it,then preach to us,or You are a HYPOCRITE.
Aur haan jaanwar ka khoon kharab lagta hai kya,To pehle jao Temples me jo bali dete hai usko roko(kamakhya temple,Nepal's gadhimai temple to Please the 'GODDESS')
Now adays hate filled VHP and BD who truly follow Brahminist Religion are also telling Hindus to do business only with Hindus,what is the difference.
So bhaiyya,pehle apne girebaan me jhanko.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Hindus have just commenced reacting. Aage aage dekho, hota he kya he.
"to get out of muslim dominated Kashmir"- Why get out??? Kick them till they remember their NANI.
"revenues earned from Taj Mahal,Qutub Minar, Humayun's Tomb"- Which world are you living in??? India is earning from its IT sector and NOT from your Muslims architecture. Any way Qutab Minar is build with architectural remnants of Hindu/Jain temples. More importantly, the biggest money spinning tourist area is the Rajasthan area- Jaipur, Jodhpur. Jaisalmer, Bikaner circuit - which is purely Hindu area.
"stop flocking to Gulf"- already stopped. The gulf countries have been replaced by IT jobs. BUT why are the GULF COUNTRIES treating Indian Muslims as "untouchables"???? Even the Indian Hajj pilgrims are retained in airport for many hours to be put through detailed check up. Evidently the ARAB MUSLIMS also consider the Indian Muslims unhygienic.
"QURBANI"- Why does Indian Muslims indulge in COW SACRIFICE when ABRAHAM offered a "MALE SHEEP" as sacrifice to ALLAH??? ARABIA did not have cows in ABRAHAMS/ MUHAMMDS time. ARABIA had only SHEEP, GOAT or CAMEL. So why are COWs sacrifice by Indian Muslims and will ALLAH accept the sacrifice of COW as ALLAH of ARABIA is not familiar with COW?????
"VHP"- yes Hindus have also commenced providing business to Hindus only- from auto rickshaw to gold shop- after seeing MUSLIMS indulging in such parochial practice. It will hit the Muslims where it hurts most -destroying Muslims economically.
please stop this irrelevant fighting
hindu, muslim, sikh ya isai hone se pehle hum sab INSAN hain..STOP BEHAVING LIKE ANIMALS(sabse keh raha hu jo bhi religion ka sahara le kar duniya me kaminapan faila rahe hain)..
hindu, muslim, sikh ya isai
hindu, muslim, sikh ya isai hone se pehle hum sab INSAN hain..STOP BEHAVING LIKE ANIMALS(sabse keh raha hu jo bhi religion ka sahara le kar duniya me kaminapan faila rahe hain)..
Thanks. You opened my eyes.
After reading your post. I took a decision. Actually i was renting my property to a Hindu Party., but after reading your post (esp. the last para)., i changed my mind. I told the other party., that i would rent my property only to a "Beef-Eater".
Dont say an impolite word. Use sweet language., but donot surrender your economy to Hindu hands. Lets go for total MUSLIM-SWADESHI. This is not meant to hurt muslims. We mean to build ourselves up. Its a totally positive mindset. We are not interested in pinching hindus. We are interested in building ourselves up. Develop synergy. Thanks to you and to Togadia for this awareness that dawned on me.
But for your post., i couldnt have done it. Your words had their impact., and i took the right decision. Thanks again.
You seem to be quite
You seem to be quite obsessed with Muslim Bashing.
Please don't waste ur time here,this is a site which discusses issues related to Muslims.
And before u point fingers at other religions' tolerance please read 'Goondaism of AdiShankaracharya' which describes Hindu 'TOLERANCE' of Buddhists.
Knowing Physics and Newtons Laws - but lacking in moral-science
"Anonymous" appears to know well Physics and Newtons Laws of Motion.
UNFORTUNATELY such persons, who even feels ashamed to write their name, are faaar behind OR are ignorant of MORAL SCIENCE - a basic ingredient of ANY religious belief.
Knowing PHYSICS and being poor / ignorant in MORAL-SCIENCE makes a person UNFIT to live in a developed society. Such persons are fit to live like a hermit. Good Luck.
An Indian
An Indian is as anonymous as anonymous.
Answer the comments rather than give lecture on moral science. Why COW slaughter when it is NOT prescribed in QUR'AN???
India saw the muslim moral in sania-sohaib- ayesha affair. Telephone NIKAH, Triple TALAQ, and what have you. Is that the ISLAMIC DEVELOPED society muslims want in India????
"who even feels ashamed to write their name" - An Indian is as anonymous as anonymous.
There is no Triple TALAQ (Divorce) - it's ONE
Sorry "Anonymous" !
There is no such thing as DOUBLE, TRIPLE, or QUADRUPLE Talaq (Divorce) in Islam.
In-fact TALAQ is the "most disliked" WORD, per Creator of this Universe, and is seldom mentioned in Quran.
FYI, Talaq whether mentioned once, twice, or thrice is still considered ONE Talaq (and divorce is INCOMPLETE). A person might utter TALAQ even "TEN-times" out of rage / anger - it is still considered ONE (or first). Ooperwaala gives chance to RECONCILE or wait for a period (in months) for reconciliation. If the couple are unable to RECONCILE after the waiting period, then husband could PRONOUNCE a second TALAQ. After this, there is again a "waiting period" (in months) for RECONCILIATION.
During all these waiting period(s), close relatives (or friends) of husband and wife may INTERVENE to ARBITRATE or resolve difference(s). If DIFFERENCES CANNOT be RESOLVED, then, and ONLY THEN a THIRD Talaq can be pronounced. Without attempt AT reconciliation, which also enables / establishes third-party witness(es), a THIRD Talaq CANNOT be given. Once a THIRD Talaq is pronounced, it finalizes divorce.
After the THIRD or final talaq, EVEN IF a woman or man WISH or AGREE to re-unite; the woman is REQUIRED to MARRY another man, and husband may remain unmarried. If the woman wishes (WITHOUT force), then she has to obtain DIVORCE from her SECOND husband, and after waiting period, she can re-marry her first husband, only at her own FREE-WILL - WITHOUT force. This (re-marriage to a third person) is the PUNISHMENT for divorce.
There are many beautiful things to learn from Islam, if you can remove your anger / bias / rage - then there is possibility to learn some beautiful traits about this religion. Don't blindly follow media, and mockery / bias, that is WRONGLY imposed on a religion. Thank you.
An Indian
P.S.:
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I made explanation about TRIPLE Talaq, very concise. I'm sure if you ask experts, they will give "couple of hours" lecture, JUST on this subject. Thank you for your understanding.
Dowry, bride-burning, harassment of daughter-in-law etc. are SOCIAL EVILS - which need to be removed. I am not saying this is in non-Muslims, but it is also affecting Muslims and others religions in India.
For RSS wallah anonymous
Manusmriti (Chapter 5 / Verse 30) says, "It is NOT SINFUL to EAT MEAT of eatable animals, for BRAHMA has created BOTH: "eaters and the eatables."
Manusmriti (5 / 35) states: When a man who is properly engaged in a ritual DOES NOT EAT MEAT, after his DEATH, he will become a SACRIFICIAL ANIMAL during twenty-one rebirths.
Apastamb Grihsutram (1/3/10) says, "The COW should be SLAUGHTERED on the arrival of a guest, on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ of ancestors and on the occasion of a marriage."
Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, "On the occasion of a GIRL'S MARRIAGE, oxen and cows are slaughtered."
Rigveda (6/17/1) states that "Indra used to EAT MEAT of cow, calf, horse and buffalo."
Vashistha Dharmasutra (11/34) writes, "If a BRAHMIN REFUSES to eat the meat offered to him on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ or worship, he goes to hell."
-The third one of the above six is more specific.
Please take a little pain to read this-
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?213159
Selective amnesia OR long-sight issue
I believe "Anonymous" is suffering from either SELECTIVE AMNESIA or has "long-sight" issue, which requires support of borrowing a reading-lens - as he/she is unable to read my comments by using a "scrolling" bar, or switch from one article to another.
On top left-side corner of this web-page there is a: Search TCN "button". Type words: COW Slaughter and Karnataka, your will get an article "Karnataka anti-beef law...... and read full article and various comments posted, under the article dated March 25 2010.
I have no intention of diverting from subject. However, if he / she is insisting, COW-slaughter is allowed in Islam, as "it is" and "it was" allowed by written original scriptures of Manusmiriti, Rigveda, Upanishads, Grihsutras, Vashistha Dharmasutra.
Please read those scriptures well (in original Sanskrit language), and then you are welcome to Islam. You can also ask questions WHETHER or NOT it is allowed in Islam. Thank you.
An Indian
Dear Muslims...
If you want equal treatment as Indians, first stop celebrating whenever Pakistan beats India at cricket...rest will take care of itself. Change your anti-national mentality first.
It Boring now buddy, pick
It Boring now buddy, pick some other reason for flogging minorities!!
Sports is different from Politics / Patriotism
Sorry you cannot "cherry-pick" a few celebrators, and EVEN IF they are displaying their sportsmanship, receptors are viewing it from political / patriotic view - and ABUSING to their advantage.
Sorry, "sports" and "politics/patriotism" are TOTALLY SEPARATE from one another.
Indians are wise and educated to know the difference, before gearing up for "hate thy neighbour". Kindly use your logic, thinking, and other senses, before commenting. Thank you.
An Indian
What about the hindu pandits
What about the hindu pandits who were peacefully living in kashmir..would it be right to say they were driven out of their homes despite having faith in their muslim neighborhood by your logic? the truth is Muslims like to live where they have theie own types..same is with any community in hindus..marwaris gujrathi.punjabis..does it mean that they do not trust other hindus? your article is inherently flawed and biased as it is well-known muslims are trouble makers..and u cannot be at peace with them.
And just to bring to ur
And just to bring to ur notice,Hurriyat conference from time to time has given a call to Kashmiri Pandits to return back to the valley.This is never shown in the media(quite understandable,india's govt. would like to demonise its enemies),even Yasin Malik has appealed to Pandits to return(something not pssible in case of venomous Bajrang dal & VHP).You can blame your very own Jagmohan(j&k governor at that time) for the plight of pandits(because he created fear psycosis among them) and the policy of Indian gov't to rig elections in valley(1987,muslim united front won a landslide there but india rigged elecs in favor of National Conferenece).
HURRIET is a terrorist organisation
Yasin Malik was amongst the terrorist who abducted Mufti Mohd Sayeds daughter and Mehabooba Muftis sister to obtain release of terrorist. The entire Kashmir valley knows that HURRIET is support terrorist and would get the Hindus killed if they ever returned to Kashmir because 100s of acres of orchards owned by Hindus who have been chased out of Kashmir have been occupied by Kashmiri Muslims- most of them connected to HURRIET, other political leaders and even JK police officers. So the Kashmiri Muslims will never ever let Hindus return to Kashmir
This is just Indian Govt.
This is just Indian Govt. Propaganda.Any way its your choice believe it blindly.
It was in Jan.2010 that he appealed to Pandits to return to valley(not shown in media,which is often busy showing ipl,half naked women,bollywood,etc.).
Did you know that during Amarnath controversy ,Hurriyat cadres were the ones who distributed food and water from Kashmiri muslims to Hindu Pilgrims waiting at bus stations.Was it shown in media?NO.
This kind of humane behavior is never displayed by venomous RSS,VHP,BD towards non-hindus.
It's NOT ONLY Indian Government - it's also media bias
Whatever bias you write in your comment "Anonymous" shown by Government of India, media carries an equal responsibility for hiding such facts.
Government + Opposition + Media = Ignorance of Indian Voters and their worries / issues / problems.
An Indian
wHAT DO YOU MEAN by trouble
wHAT DO YOU MEAN by trouble makers?.Does it mean so called "Terrorism" ,which is nothing but a just struggle against US imperialism and its evil policies,which is negatively portrayed in the media.Until 1990's there was no trouble but when muslims started protesting against the evil Zionist empire of which Brahminical India has become a major part,we are now trouble makers.
Kashmir was sold by Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru and....
Sorry "Anonymous" - Kashmir was sold by Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru one day prior to independence. Kashmir Maharaja's signature was FORGED that State of Kashmir was willing to be included in Indian Republic. Yep, THE FORGED SIGNATURE is to-date available at U.N. and that's one of the reason that Kashmir, together with it's Muslim, as well as HINDU POPULATION is suffering - to-date.
And other independent Kindgoms that existed after Britishers left, under Hindu and Muslim rulers, were forcibly USURPED or ANNEXED by India.
Don't "mix and mingle" issues SPREADING LIES. It's similar to Palestinian issue, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said (although in an undiplomatic tone) - Europeans "dumped their trash" in Palestine, and why should M.E. countries be willing to pay the price, for Europe's mistakes ???
Arguing along same lines, why should Muslims and other minorities in India be subjected to sufferings, for wrongs of others???
There was NO QUESTION of FREEDOM of FAITH, neither FEAR, nor HATRED from / against Muslims prior to independence!! How come it cropped after independence ???
And continuing to answer on your INVERTED LOGIC - If Muslims in, majority Muslim countries are suffering for "mistakes of their rulers", why should "Indian Democratic Republic" Elected and Non-Elected Politicians be "cloning" MISTAKES of DICTATORS / RULERS ???
Is there no difference between KINGDOM, DICTATORSHIP, and DEMOCRACY ???
Finally, I would question - where are the democratic principles and freedom of religion, GUARANTEED under INDIAN CONSTITUTION ???
An Indian
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I am not sure whether you know Alaska - a state of U.S. originally belonged to former U.S.S.R. They willingly sold it to U.S. as it was more of a liability, than an asset to former U.S.S.R.
Now legally you tell me, can current Russian Republic claim it back now ??? Legal and logical answer is plain and simple "Nope" !!! Alaska is now giving millions or maybe billions of dollars in return by way of "black gold" i.e. Oil.
High-Caste Community and Politicians to answer
Thank you Mr. Ather Farouqui for your informative article. It's an EYE-OPENER for Indians on both sides of the aisle.
Muslims ruled over India for more than five centuries, and Majority Community NEVER felt UNSAFE anytime, living under Muslim Rulers.
Although RACIAL discrimination is in practice for thousands of years in India, communal problem slowly seeped in our social-culture during the British Rule, due to DIVIDE and RULE policy. This continues to-date by our SHAMELESS POLITICIANS - especially the High-Caste, whether they are from Kaangress or Bhajpa.
Now the answer for "Ghettoization" lies SQUARELY AT DOORS of High Caste, Politicians, and believers/practitioners of "Hate Thy Neighbour" OR "Hate Others" - based on caste, religion, race, colour.
If Indians want to elevate India's position in front of International Community, they need to reverse the practice of "hate-mongering", and all social injustices. Babu Bajrangis, Bal Thackerays, their followers / believers, and similar Indians have to "spit out" POISON of HATRED from inside their bodies.
When passing clouds DOES NOT shower ACID RAIN, and the air we breathe IS NOT poisonous - I wonder, from where, how, and when we imbibed HATRED / SOCIAL DIVISIONS which is resulting in DECAYING of SOCIETY (timed CANCER) ???
It is a totally FALSE BELIEF, if anyone either in India OR elsewhere feels Indian Muslims could migrate from their ancestral land!!! Just a cursory look at the staggering numbers 160 - 180+ Indian Muslims, gives a shock to anyone - i.e. largest Muslim Population, surpassing both our eastern and western neighbours.
The only remaining superpower COULD NOT get it's job accomplished ABUSING their power in M.E. to uproot / displace TWO to THREE MILLION Palestinians in SIXTY-Plus years. India is a poor country w.r.t. power, arms, and money. Being a nation of Computer Scientists / Mathematicians, we are smart enough to do our own calculation(s) !!!
Living in harmony is GOOD - not only for minorities, but also for progress of India - as a secular nation.
An Indian
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It's a shame on part of our neighbour, if THY NEIGHBOUR feels INSECURE living AMONGST us.
Always remember, if you point ONE accusing finger against others, THREE fingers automatically points towards us.
That's how Ooperwaala (Creator) made it, AND we cannot change it.
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