Mohsina Kidwai elected chairperson of Haj committee

How Much cost in Hujj Because my fathe want to go to hujj please do needfull

@Indian
'There is an "GIGANTIC" difference between "wet-lease" and "dry-lease". There is a third type of lease in Airline Industry - known as "damp-lease".

So what is the point?

'None of these three-types of leases are required by AIR-INDIA for transporting Hajj passengers'

Are you suggesting that Air India does not do it or that Air India should not be doing it?

1. If former, then check these two examples:
http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:MvDs9djSdr0J:mmd.airindia.co.in/aim...

http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:thfU-ipP5vkJ:mmd.airindia.co.in/aim...

The fact is that Air India had to go for chartering aircrafts for Haj, every year (I can say that for at least last 10-15 years), except one, in which year their regular schedules were hit very badly, resulting in cancellations, massive delays etc. You can google Air India+Haj+Tender +charter or go to Air India's website directly, to get some more clue, instead of suffering my 'monkey' tricks.

In case you meant that they 'should not' as seems to be case when I look at your latter claims that Hajj is not an unexpected peak, in that case note:

The reason for citing Power purchases was to explain the concept of Base and Peak Demand. As you say that Airlines know when Haj peak happens , so do Power producers (and have known so for decades) which months are going to see peak requirements. (So yes apples are not lemons, nor are oranges, but fruits nevertheless and that is what we are talking here.). In fact capacity planning for Base-Peak operations has been one of the enduring challenges for many capital intensive industries. How do you plan your capacity? ( I will explain this with the example of Airlines so that you don't get confused between Apples, lemons or Oranges):
Either, Capacity owned (no of aircrafts in your fleet) = Peak demand requirement. Which means having spare capacity for 10 months of an year (assuming peak of 2 months). ( I hope you understand when I say 'own', I am talking about owning economic rights on long term basis, not necessarily, legal ownership)Now most of the airlines do maintain some slack capacity to be used during peak months and/or when regular aircrafts go for maintenance, scheduled or unscheduled. But no sane airline will maintain a slack large enough to fully accommodate a steep peak like Haj (in fact, air India also uses some of its own aircrafts for Haj, apart from the chartered ones). If some do, they would obviously recover the capital servicing cost through the peak traffic. Spreading it over base passenger volume is in-equitable and also makes you less competitive with other passengers.

Alternatively, the airline can withdraw aircrafts from scheduled services to accommodate Haj peak. Again because of the volumes involved, the withdrawal will have to be substantially large, which any commercial airline will avoid (except for exceptional circumstances), because of network commitment issues, more so for international flights.
BTW if the last link didn't work try this or google Air India+fuming+haz: http://www.financialexpress.com/news/haj-subsidy-has-air-india-fuming/36...

" As you mentioned about "wet-lease" - it is required when there is a "SUDDEN & SHORT-TERM" need. In case of HAJJ-TRAFFIC, this IS NOT the case. Hajj is known years before, TO ENABLE planning, GIVING ample time to arrange AIRCRAFT(s), EQUIPMENT(s), LOGISTICS, CREW, SCHEDULING, etc. etc. etc.

You seem to be reading quite some stuff, eeh eh, 'sudden' or not, more planning time or less, is hardly relevant, the issue is to have access to spare capacity for 2-3 months, even if you know that 5 years before the requirement. Where do you get that from? From your own fleet (i.e. large Slack on your balance sheet) or through short term lease, or through large withdrawals from your schedule ! As explained above, Balance sheet option isn't smart and you don't go for 24 month lease when you need it for 3 months, and you also don't make huge changes in your schedules.
So there isn't any 'New Trick', Mr Old Junkey with a maintenance engineer for your friendly analyst, it is an ancient problem.
For more clarity, the main difference between the costs of a wet or a dry lease isn't the difference between wet and dry part, (wet and dry are two extremes, within which you can have many combinations, not just wet, damp and dry), it is the tenor of the lease, i.e. how many revenue earning hours are you assured off. (things like crew, insurance, maintenance etc. any way have to be borne, whoever may provide this. Cost efficiencies of a lessor vs. lessee, on these can never account for much).

Your assumptions about Group fare is again flawed: group bookings are economic when you are booking on a scheduled flight, b'coz in that case the airlines is anyway going to incur the fixed cost and the larger part of variable costs (simply because it is scheduled and he has to fly). So, theoretically, he can bring down his per ticket cost to his variable cost/passenger and still be indifferent vis-a-vis flying with full fare but lesser no of passengers.
Moreover, direct chartering by Haj committee was attempted at some time, it didn't work and as Anwar has shown, the real cost of chartering on per head basis is multiples of Rs. 16000.

So try your too much of knowledge in circles you know, they won't have any problem, even if you told them GOI paid SA for Sachin to score 200.

Mr Indian,
"Close scrutiny of "so-called" HAJJ SUBSIDY will reveal it is IN-FACT HELPING "Ailing AIR-INDIA Maharaja".
" I wrote "as clear as can", and hope readers (I mean all Indians across board), got the message"

Hmmm, very good, does it take anything more Indian Babu? I mean, making such profound and deeply insightful Assertions?

Ooh I am so sorry, I didn't notice, it actually too a 'Close Scrutiny'! I am sure, the 'Close Scrutiny' must have been done by some eminent analysts, BTW what all sciences (I don't mean science subjects alone) were necessary for this scrutiny?
Never mind, just a few doubts:

Can you book a return ticket for Patna-Delhi-Jeddah for Rs.12000 (or Rs 16000 for last year only)? Hmmm Bulk discounts through direct chartering? We will see in a minute. By the way, have you or your eminent analysts, ever bothered to check whether direct (i.e. through Haj committee) charter negotiations were attempted at some point of time or not? Do let me know.

Now some details ( please bear, these details did not benefit from the close scrutiny of your eminent analysts, unfortunately )
1. It isn’t some 100,000- 150,000 prize customers in the first place, the number for 2010 is more like 120,000 and that after annual increases of the order of 10,000-15,000. More over approximately 50% of that traffic is carried by Saudi airlines.
2. Haj means 2-3 months of a steep peak forcing most of the commercial airlines to opt for short term leases, called wet lease. Being short-term, they are by definition much more expensive than longer leases. It does not take your eminent analyst to understand that the capital cost of the wet leased aircrafts will have to be recovered from the passengers who fly during that peak window. For e.g. If you look at the state electricity boards, their normal procurement costs (for the pool) will rarely exceed Rs 4-5/unit. But during peak months, the incremental power is often purchased at Rs. 10-15/unit range. It matters, but little, that your requirement for those few months constitutes a huge volume, the annual fixed cost will still be recovered during those two months. Even worse, for most of the aircrafts, one side of the trip has to be without passengers, (you see due to poor level of technology, that trip cannot be made on water, it still needs fuel!)
3. If AIR INDIA was really saving itself by grabbing the prized Haj Service, why does it keep on requesting the Govt to allow other airlines in the space? Last publicly known attempt was around 2008. http://www.financialexpress.com/news/haj-subsidy-has-air-india-fuming/36....
4. BTW, Muslims anyway have the option of not going through Haj committee and a large number of Muslims actually go through private tour operators (~ 40,000 or so), so why are they suffering the tyranny of AI?
So will it no be better, if instead of conveying your 'clear message' to Indians across the board, you tried this with those Hajis? Ask them to do what the other ~ 40,000 odd Hajis do.

But, you don't have to, because India does allow some amount of freedom of expression (not enough), and therefore all you need to do is revert back saying all these are lies, hate filled analysis, hindutva propaganda, sanghi hate mongering etc etc (surely, you and your eminent analysts must be having a richer vocabulary). Yes don't forget to be LOUDER and CLEARER.

Another small fact, as per the last answer given by Dr Tharoor in the parliament, the amount for this year was just above Rs 800 crores (and still provisional)

Hajj subsidy is similar to a cartoon by Yousuf of an elephant :

HAATHI KAY DAANTH - KHAANEY KAY AUR, DIKHAANEY KAY AUR.

Most people are unaware, Haj subsidy is enforced for benefit of HELPING "AIR-INDIA Maharaja". In this, GOI requires Hajj Committee to give all Hajj passenger traffic to AIR-INDIA, without questioning / competition from other airlines.

There are countries, who charter aircraft(s) just for ferrying Haj passengers, as airlines are DESPERATE for TRAFFIC - to ensure FULL-LOAD-PASSENGERS, so they can be profitable.

AIR-INDIA getting assured 100,000 - 150,000 passenger-load, every year, MUST be GRATEFUL to Indian Hajis, instead of GOI / Indian Citizens CRYING-FOUL about Hajj Subsidy.

An Indian

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Now the question:
Will it be wise on part of GOI to (("willingly and knowingly")) invite WRATH upon our own National Carrier - AIR-INDIA ???

What we can expect from these people. They know only to protect their own interest in the name of Muslims. Have you heard these people talking about welfare of Muslim community in general and backward Muslims particular. Yes they have influence and affinity with Congress and Sonia Gandhi but never raise their voices to protect Muslims rights as we all are witnessing in the case of proposed 33% women reservation Bill. Many Hindu leaders are at least now talking about Muslim women but where are these so called Muslim leaders. Actually these kind of politicians are exploiting Govt of India in the name of Muslims. They are not our representatives as they are nothing to do with poverty, illiteracy, backwardness among the community.

When we congratulate Mohsina Kiswai, we wish she uses this opportunity to the best of her ability to discontinue the hajj Goodwill Delegations and to abolish the Hajj Subsidy.

Hearty congratulations Mrs. Mohsina Kidwai on your appointment as Chairperson of Haj Committee.

Being a Kaangresswasi and a long-time "public figure", holding different political positions, it is your duty to ensure Muslims of India are doing well, and their rights are protected.

I'm sure you are aware of the following report. Such incidents have been happening for decades - with NO ACTION from GOI; and as citizens, we have NOT SEEN any effort from "The Kidwai" family.

http://twocircles.net/2010mar10/forged_visas_15_months_and_22_harassed_i...

Not only are Indian RECRUITING AGENTS responsible for such instance, as they are dealing AND are aware of SUCH FRAUDS, being in business - but they intentionally ABUSE the system for money-making.

Having influence and affinity with MEA India, I am sure you can DO A LOT to "correct", "rectify", and "ensure" such incidents to not RECUR - and those guilty, are held accountable.

An Indian