Allah Hafiz vs. Khuda Hafiz




By Almas Kiran Shamim,

I am a Muslim and I am an Indian. I was born and brought up in this country, speaking Urdu/Hindi and using terms like ‘Namaaz’* and ‘Roza’**. I have no desire to suddenly change my language because ‘some’ people find it inappropriate. I absolutely hate the de-Indianization of Indian Muslims, saying, for example, “Ramadan Kareem” instead of “Ramzaan Mubarak”, and “salaat” instead of “namaaz.”

Today, someone told me that ‘Khuda hafiz’*** is not the correct word to be used, and we should rather say ‘Allah hafiz’. The reason given was that “Parsis also use Khuda hafiz”. I have heard the same ridiculous notion earlier as well. I am very sure that a lot of people reading this also have similar views. In any case, I make it clear to anyone and everyone reading this post, that I, Almas, will not stop saying ‘Khuda hafiz’.


An auto in Delhi street with "Khuda Hafiz" written in Hindi.

Firstly, for the benefit of the readers, ‘Khuda’ is a word incorporated into Urdu from Persian (like many other Urdu words). If you do a thorough search, you will find that the word ‘Khuda’ has a very elaborate meaning – from ‘the powerful one’ to ‘the one to whom sacrifices are offered’. To keep it simple, we shall use the commonest meaning for which the term ‘Khuda’ is used, i.e., ‘God’.

When I say Khuda, I mean my God, my Creator, the One to whom I shall return. When I say Khuda, I mean my Allah. However, obviously, not everyone in the world speaks Urdu, and not everyone in the world calls Allah ‘Khuda.’ Just like not everyone in the world speaks English, not everyone in the world would call Allah ‘God’. However, I am not ‘everyone in the world’, and I do call my God ‘Khuda’. It doesn’t matter to me who uses this word for what other purposes. There are people who say that ‘Khuda’ should not be used because a lot of other people use this term for their God.

Urdu is a language, so is Persian, and anyone who speaks in this language can use ‘Khuda’ for his God. A Christian from Pakistan can use ‘Khuda’, a Zoroastrian from Iran can use ‘Khuda’. This, by no means, implies that a Muslim from either Pakistan or Iran cannot use ‘Khuda’.

When you say that ‘Khuda’ can also mean the Christian God or the Parsi God or even the Sikh or Hindu God, you are actually trying to say that there IS a Christian God, a Parsi God, a Sikh God, a Hindu God besides a Muslim God Allah.

Tell me, is this what you believe in?

Does this make you a Muslim?

Tell me, what is the most important thing to be a Muslim?

The belief in one God.
Allah.
La ilaha illallah.
There is no God but Allah.

So, when anyone says ‘God’, what should come to your mind?
Allah, because who is Allah but Allah?

There is one God who created us all, who provides for us all, whether we be Muslim or Hindu or Parsi or whatever. Then what exactly do you mean when you say that ‘so and so people also call their God ‘Khuda’?

Do you realize that a Christian Arab also uses the word ‘Allah’ but for him Allah is the father of Jesus. So, now, shouldn’t I stop using the term ‘Allah’ too? Do you realize that when Huzur (Salallaho alaihe wasallam) became a Prophet, Arabs belonging to the Jahiliya also worshipped Allah, only that they also worshipped Uzza, Lat, and Manat? So, doesn’t this also mean that I should stop using ‘Allah’?

A lot of Non-Muslims believe that Allah is some ‘other’ God, i.e, a God other than their own God. So, doesn’t ‘Allah’ too conjure images other than what we, as Muslims, know ‘Allah’ means? Now, if ‘Allah’ despite being used by other sects means Allah then I am sure ‘Khuda’ too can mean ‘Allah’ for me.

When a Christian says ‘Khuda hafiz’, he might be leaving you in the protection of God the Father. However, when I, or any other Muslim, say ‘Khuda hafiz’, we are leaving you in the protection of Al-Ilah – The God.

There are definitely reasons why you can tell me to use ‘Allah hafiz’ instead of ‘Khuda hafiz’. The best being that Allah calls Himself Allah in the Qur’an. Also, that saying the ‘word’ Allah itself brings blessings and that it binds the Ummati in a common thread. If you give me these reasons I will agree with you. However, if you give me the stupid reason that a Parsi also calls God ‘khuda’ than you are going to get a piece of my mind.

Besides, Allah created us all differently – there are Muslims with golden hair and blue eyes, Muslims with black skin and curly hair and Muslims with brown skin and black eyes. We eat different food, speak different languages and have different cultures. We are united in our belief and our belief doesn’t include us becoming Arabs. No, I don’t mean that ‘Allah’ is for Arabs alone. What I mean is that this sudden need among Indian Muslims to switch over from ‘namaaz’ to ‘salaah’ and the like, and also a sudden defilement of ‘Khuda hafiz’, have all arisen (I believe) from that same misconception that Muslim and Arab is synonymous.

It is NOT.

I live in Kerala (at present) and the Muslims here use the term ‘Niskkaram’ or ‘Namaskkaram’ for ‘Namaaz’ / ‘Salaah’. Yet, I don’t find huge forums on the Internet debating the usage of the term. Nor do I find Keralite Muslims with any sense of shame in their usage of a word that is well known to have Hindu origins (if I can call them that) to refer to the second pillar of Islam. Yet, ‘namaaz’, ‘roza’, and ‘khuda’ are so vehemently opposed. The only explanation that I can find for this absurd phenomenon is the huge population of Hindi/Urdu Muslims.

Keralite Muslims form a small population and their ‘terms’ are not so apparent to the larger Muslim world, nor are they a threat. Urdu/Hindi Muslims are a huge group of people and since we have become part of a global community the Urdu/ Hindi Muslim ‘terms’ have somehow stood as competitors to their ‘Arabic’ counterparts.

With an increasing Western Muslim population, due to an unprecedented rise in reversions, Arabic in its chaste form is being embraced as the sole language of Islam.

In such a scenario, naturally, the older Indian/Pakistani Muslims who use Urdu/Hindi in its various forms, present the single largest ‘alienation’. Thus, there is this need to extol the usage of ‘Arabic’ terms, or rather deprecate the usage of Urdu/Hindi terms that the larger Muslim World cannot understand.

I feel that this is ridiculous. Trust me, my God can understand all the languages he created. He really does. The need to de-Indianize us (Urdu/Hindi Muslims) stems from the belief that how can anything Muslim be non-Arab? It is very similar to the Urdu/Hindi Muslim belief that how can anything Muslim be non-Urdu/Hindi (within India)?

Since most Muslims in India know one or the other form of Urdu/Hindi, even if their mother tongue is something totally different (for example, Tamil), there is a common belief that all Indian Muslims speak Urdu. This is not true. I know Keralite Muslims who don’t know the ‘alif’ of Urdu and yet they are beautiful Muslims.

We need to realize that the pulse of the Ummati, the golden thread that binds us as Muslims, is our belief and not our language. We need to understand that ‘your God and my God and his God and her God and that God and this God and their God’ is for people who believe that there can possibly be more than one God.

What makes us Muslims is our proclamation: “There is One God.”

Now, whether I call him God, or ‘Rabb’ or ‘Khuda’ or ‘Bhagwaan’ or ‘Maalik’ or ‘Parwar dighaar’, is not of as much importance as that I call Him and Him alone.

There is only One who can possibly be God
Him – Al-Ilah – The God
Wahadahu la shareek
Allahu Akbar.

*Regular prayers that Muslims are supposed to do five times a day

**Fasting
*** A common term used by Indian Muslims to say 'farwell' .

--
Almas is a medical student in Kerala and blogs at http://almasshamim.blogspot.com/

Comments

Nice article!

Nice article!

We should learn arabic try to

We should learn arabic try to correct our mistakes if we or doing mistakes by since long time why we correct at this stage So that we must under stand the what islamic teaching says.

sure thanks >>>

sure
thanks >>>

Thanks ....

Thanks ....

y to use ALLAH!

aslmlkm
though i hv the doubt over the writer's sincerity!"i.e he clearly says "i m gonna use this only "that means this article is written with a stubborn mind !and in a mood of never listening! i suspect even ahadith will also b thrown away by writer if they go against this article!

but! i will do my duty as a muslim!!

using khuda is not haram!niether makrooh!! its just unpleasent! reason!!

1. the GOD "ALLAH" has several names! but his most renowned and personal is ALLAH! next is REHMAN then next is RAHEEM! when we hav 99names for him! why use a name borrowed from som other community!?????

2. USE of arabic with the intention dat its the languag of ALLAH and his APOSTLE! will enhance the bi-directional love! so why use the name borrowed frm some other religion???

3.ALLAH is the word used many times in quran! now using that u get 40VIRTUE(NEKIS ) AS U read a quranic word!

4. THE term used by ALLAH's APOSTLE is ALLAH not khuda so why showing anger in following him?? is this all ur ISLAM IS all about??

walaykum assalam

Had you read this part of my article...

"There are definitely reasons why you can tell me to use ‘Allah hafiz’ instead of ‘Khuda hafiz’. The best being that Allah calls Himself Allah in the Qur’an. Also, that saying the ‘word’ Allah itself brings blessings and that it binds the Ummati in a common thread. If you give me these reasons I will agree with you. However, if you give me the stupid reason that a Parsi also calls God ‘khuda’ than you are going to get a piece of my mind."""

I have clearly stated that i conform with the virtues of using "Allah" and only disagree where pp; say that 'Khuda' can mean "OTHER GODS".

I agree with you that we should preferably be using words used by Huzur S.A.W Himself.but, you mention about
'borrowing words from other communities and religions'...
which community my friend?
THIS is my community.
besides, i wonder what 'English' is..... and when did Huzur S.A.W speak in English that we do not consider it 'unpleasant' to be used.

Thanks...

Allah hafiz vs Khuda Hafiz

Very correct. Iagree totally. By the way in arabic bible God is Always called Allah because Allah is the word for that one singular being who created all that is even the quarks and neons the particls of neutron and proton in an atom. there are are so many languages and people and in Quran God states that He has sent a messenger to all of them some say 124000 not all were arabic therefore in every language and place and people there has to be aword for the Omnipotent,Almighty Creator and as they are the different names of the same ONE and ONLY ONE WITHOUT PARTNERS, they have to be good as Allah says in quran "Lahul Asmaaul Hasna"meaning all names of Allah are good.

Right On....I agree totally

Right On....I agree totally with you.

You're free to refer to your

You're free to refer to your deity however - but wouldn't you want to call Him using one of the Names He has given us? Khuda is not one of those names. I'm not saying that delegitimizes the use of "Khuda Hafiz" but if someone is encouraging people to call on Allah by His Names (as we are commanded to in Surat A'raaf) what's wrong with that?

nothing wrong. wrong is when

nothing wrong.
wrong is when you say that 'khuda' can mean any other god.

wrong is when you ACTUALLY 'de-legitimize' the use of 'khuda hafiz'.
conversely such people should also 'de-legitimize' the use of the word 'god'.

'god' is definitely not one of Allah's Names...(that we know of)
and the translation of 'La ilaha illallah' shud not be 'There is no God but Allah'
it shud be 'There is no Allah but Allah'

Khuda bless you and all

Khuda bless you and all Indians - Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Jews & Others

Bless you too.. thanks..

Bless you too..
thanks..

Assalamoailakum

I want that you should know that nowdays some muslims are urging fellow muslims to use the word Allah instead of kudha because Allah is the name of our Creator described in Quran, so it is better to call the creator by the name that Quran tells us.
So its better to use the Quranic word for religious terminology.

no harms ... thanks...

no harms ...

thanks...

Congratulations!

Very good article. I too had faced many people who tried to convince me on such verbal boundaries. Anyway, courageously written... Congratulations!

Thank you...

Thank you...

allah hafis or khuda hafis

Dear lamas beta
assalam alaikum

i read your complete email. and I would like to say here only one thing. please do not take any offensive or defensive on the subject of Allah hafis, and khuda hafis. Since you are medical student you should have very brought way of thinking. you are our future representative of Muslim Ummah. And we should be more strong and more flexible in practicing Islam. I would suggest here do continue what is very appropriate to you.But at the same time try to accommodate the values from the logical views. I hope my small suggestion will help you in future for you to solve lots of different small issues of Islamic school of thoughts.

jazakallah khair.

shahnawaz mohammed
Toronto- Canada.

walaykum assalam

:)
Sure....
I shall try to.
Thank you...

khuda hafiz

well expressed and i fully agree with you.

thank you..

thank you..

appreciation

Went through the POST and enjoyed the intellectual presentation. Congratulations!
It should also be borne in mind that advocates of using 'Allah' , 'Salah/Salat' or 'Saum' instead of 'Khuda' , 'Namaz' or ' Roza(h)' are also sincere in their belief , but they haven't attained the intellectual sublimity already attained by Almas.
May Allah (I mustn't be acused of not using Khuda) guide us!

Thank you..

Am sure they're sincere in their beliefs....that's what beliefs are.. it cant be a belief if we rnt really sincere bout it...

Word Allah used in Qura’an 2698 times

Unnecessary article; without any reason, author says that he will says Khuda, so he has right to say Khuda.
Word Allah is best than word Khuda, because word Allah selected by Allah Himself. Muslims in India can say Khuda, but saying Allah is more comprehensive.
Word Allah used in Qura’an 2698 times.
Read whole Qura’an and then say to me that which word selected by Allah himself, Khuda or Allah.
Ulema in entire world agreed that Allah is best word to use for Allah, because this name selected by Allah himself.

Skip-Reading

Apparently, a lot many readers have skipped the folng para--

""There are definitely reasons why you can tell me to use ‘Allah hafiz’ instead of ‘Khuda hafiz’. The best being that Allah calls Himself Allah in the Qur’an. Also, that saying the ‘word’ Allah itself brings blessings and that it binds the Ummati in a common thread. If you give me these reasons I will agree with you. However, if you give me the stupid reason that a Parsi also calls God ‘khuda’ than you are going to get a piece of my mind.""

The question is not about the supremacy of the word... the question is about the permissibility of the word.

Good point sister. I even

Good point sister. I even want to add that some of our Islamic scholar say dont say God because it will add as gods & godes etc. I feel every one who say god is refer to his GOD which he or she worship. We need to be open minded. Since my business is translation I dont find any difference between God, Bhagwan & Allah its all depends to people who they worshiping.

:) When someone says 'God

:) When someone says 'God created the World'..... i wonder what picture comes to the mind of ppl who are against the use of the word 'god'. :)

Allah Hafiz vs. Khuda Hafiz

assalamo alaikum,
brother i agree vth ur saying dat allah doesnt require languages 2 understand his beleivers allah even not requires word he knows d heart and things going in once mind .he iz all hearer,all knower and there iz none comparable unto him.but for d topic i want 2 say dat calling khuda iz not wrong but its better we call almighty by word allah since dis word contains all attributes of d creator for example if we call almighty by d word rabb it state only one attribute dat of a sustainer and in same way d arabic word "rahman" and "rahim " translated "most gracious" and "most merciful " are both intensive forms referring to different aspects of allah attribute of mercy.
may allah bless us and guide us so dat we keep walking in light of allah's grace.

quoting you ""calling khuda

quoting you

""calling khuda iz not wrong but its better we call almighty by word allah since dis word contains all attributes of d creator ""

totally agree...
thanks..

Khuda Hafiz Almas

Almas has got it all wrong.
its all due to ignorance about Tauheed(oneness in all aspects).She should contact
a salafi alim in her area to understand Aqqeday Tauheed.
Allah is a proper noun.Allah is the personal name of our creator Allah(swt).
for eg.I cannot change your name Almas kiran shamim by translating the
meaning of these three words into other languages.
llah is unique word.no one can play games with this word by adding suffixes to other langiage
words like Goddess,gods,godfather,godmother etc.
better for her to research in medical feild like gtnaecologist where muslims are being
systematically targeted for Ceasarean operations by Govt backed RSS encouraged
ethnic cleansing in the mothers womb.

just two things one - the

just two things

one - the moment you mention that i need to contact a salafi aalim to learn Tauheed, i know that we live in two different realms of the world.

two- Almas Kiran Shamim is my proper noun, the common noun being 'human'..... homo sapiens- a species.... a species that has lots and lots of members...
now if you call 'Human, come here'. it could mean any human in the billions of humans who exist. Thereby, makin a proper noun essential.... and so we have names.
Allah Paak is not 'one of the members of his species' my friend. Allah Paak khud mei ek zaat hain. He is the one sole Creator in the species of Creators. One Creator of all... transcending language, culture and even religion. Callin upon the Creator will always call upon the one and the same entity- THE CREATOR. THE GOD. THE KHUDA. THE ALLAH.
If i dont come across to you, I'm sorry, but, I tried.

Thanks, all the same.

Salaf means Sahaba

Salaf means Sahaba Karam(raziallahanhuma).No true muslim can ever
distance himself/herself from the way of salaf.
like Quran translation can never be claimed as orginal Quran in arabic ,
similarly the word Allah cannot be expressed truely in translations like
God,Eeshwar,Bhagwan etc
Its only and only islam which is truely monotheistic religion.All other
religions are polytheistic ideologies.Their concept of God is totally contradicting
with concept of Allah(swt).
so many human beings are frequently being referred to as God like some
people believe Ram Krishna Jesus and even Sachin tendulkar as god of cricket etc.
hinduism believes in an omnipresent God thus everything like you and me snakes
become gods.now if in such ignorant stupidity if you donot take care
to explain the concept of Allah (swt)to these non muslim audiences then
danger is that unknowingly we too will endorse their concept of God.
ultimately they will never be able to truly grasp the true concept of Allah(swt).
hope this explains the motive behind insistence on using Allah.
Allah Hafiz

Salaf means Sahaba

Salaf means Sahaba Karam(raziallahanhuma).No true muslim can ever
distance himself/herself from the way of salaf.
like Quran translation can never be claimed as orginal Quran in arabic ,
similarly the word Allah cannot be expressed truely in translations like
God,Eeshwar,Bhagwan etc
Its only and only islam which is truely monotheistic religion.All other
religions are polytheistic ideologies.Their concept of God is totally contradicting
with concept of Allah(swt).
so many human beings are frequently being referred to as God like some
people believe Ram Krishna Jesus and even Sachin tendulkar as god of cricket etc.
hinduism believes in an omnipresent God thus everything like you and me snakes
become gods.now if in such ignorant stupidity if you donot take care
to explain the concept of Allah (swt)to these non muslim audiences then
danger is that unknowingly we too will endorse their concept of God.
ultimately they will never be able to truly grasp the true concept of Allah(swt).
hope this explains the motive behind insistence on using Allah.
Allah Hafiz

Salafi B/AQ Khuda-Hafiz!

'Bud-Aqidah' Salafi,
This is not the forum to propagate your Salafi brand of Islam.
How you dare to advice Almas to contact and take the advice in this regard from only Salafi 'bud-Aqidah' so called Alim.
If really you wanted to spread and serve Islam sincerely, you may advised her to contact some learned Alim instead Salafi, you are having bankrupt narrow mentality, spoiled the true spirit of Islam , thus Muslims are been killed like animals all over.
May Allah help us. Ameen.

Khuda hi Hafiz

To, Almas Kiran Shamim : a hurried note, glanced yr subject effort.. encouraged to suggest :
1. These are very small things to engage in, ALLAH SWT knows before we utter words. He is all knowing but His listening and speaking and seeing is beyond our apprehension- systems.. that is why He is unique ( AHAD), no one is like Him. When we say I can see the wall, means I can see up to the wall and not beyond BUT when He looks at our requested wall: whole universe with all creations so far and beyond summons along with the wall ( in question). To tell you the truth, even this explanation is so week that I am ashamed of even daring this explanation with human-sense perception..... To His reality, I can be 100% wrong. Why : It took ages for saints like Maulana Romi to understand this reality but some times it takes seconds as well, the condition is : ILLA-MASHA-ALLAH ! I quote Hazrat ALI rATa “ Jis nai Khud ko pehchana, us nai KHUDA ( ALLAH swt ) ko pehchana.”
2. When you say Khuda Hafiz, you are using 50% Persian and 50% Arabic.
3. Its strange in our subcontinent along with Iran, majority of our great saints and Ulamas have used the word KHUDA, even in Quranic translations ?
4. We must use words and deeds based on the Sunnah only.
M Jawed Shervani
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yeah sure!!! :)

yeah sure!!!
:)

What is there in naming?

Almas,
why all this long humbug discussion. I called it 'Ahmed-Giri'! One Mr.Ahmed I knew was speaking too much , showing him more smarter as you are trying to prove yourself!
You yourself is admired calling God as Allah instead Khuda in one of your finest para.
The religious litrature of Islam in subcontinent is basically in Urdu,
Persian and Urdu are sister languages, Muslim period in India ruled by Moughals used Persian as their official language, hence they used Khuda instead of Allah and latter it is opted by Urdu speaking Muslims.
Accordingly there is no harm or wrong calling Allah as Khuda.

Mr. Abdul Kader quoting your

Mr. Abdul Kader

quoting your words
"You yourself is admired calling God as Allah instead Khuda in one of your finest para."

and

"Accordingly there is no harm or wrong calling Allah as Khuda."

the exact message of my humbug discussion---- Allah and Khuda are the same. so, why stop me from using 'Khuda'?
Thank you
2nd Mr. Ahmed.:)

An 'Ahmed-Giri' by sister Almas!

Dear sister Almas,
The same thing you are referring as I.
I fully endorsed you, there is no harm calling Allah as Khuda for we Urdu speaking people in sub continent.
I have objection on your 'Ahmed-Giri', unnecessarily, while everybody is submissive, you are raising the minor issue with great enthuthiasm.

My brother..by the comments

My brother..by the comments does it still appear that all are submissive ??
:P

Allah Hafiz vs Khuda Hafiz

Its better to use the word which Allah SWT had used for himself in Quran. He used "Allah" in Quran and its unique so should be better. This is my personal opinion. I have no problem with Khuda Hafiz. A little bit problem Kaashif bhai with "Bhagwan Hafiz or Ishwar Hafiz". These words are identified with a specific religion which is different than Islam. So will prefer not to use. Second thing, ALLAH is a unique word and Allah SWT used in Quran for himself

sure.. thanks....

sure..
thanks....

Pity, you got stuckup with

Pity, you got stuckup with small issue. This Allah Hafiz is creation of our neibhours. I might be wrong. Consult a learned person instead of Neem Hakeem khatrey jan. When it is said that over 70 firkeys will be there, so why fuss is there. Arabic was chosen as a standard and to unite muslims throughout the world. Dua should be in local language, so that the devotee understands and it comes from their hearts. But I just love to learn more and more languages. Try to say :sutto-sutto to a Sindhibhai and half of your job is done... I dont know why I poke my nose everywhere.. Maas-salaam, fee aman Allah, Kullo aam antum bakhair, Khuda Hafiz.
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Nationalism and chauvinism

This article epitomises the disease in the hearts of Many Muslims; Nationalism and chauvinism for one's language. There is absolutely no issue with Saying Khuda, though it is appropriate to say Allah. Just like in the days of Jahiliyah the arabs used to greet each other 'Good morning,' and then after the advent of Islam, the Prophet used Assalamu-Alaikum, as the greeting epitomises Islam.

ARABIC EXPRESSIONS PREFERABLE

ACTIONS ARE TO BE JUDGED BY THE MOTIVES WHICH PROMPT THEM, HENCE, WHEN ONE BIDS FAREWELL, BY SAYING "KHUDA HAFIZ" WHAT THE PERSON MEANS IS "MAY YOU BE UNDER THE PROTECTION OF ALLAH." THUS, BOTH "KHUDA HAFIZ" AND "ALLAH HAFIZ" MEAN THE SAME THING. BUT BETWEEN ARABIC EXPRESSIONS, WHICH WERE USED BY OUR HOLY PROPHET (s.a.w.s) AND THEIR EQUIVALENTS IN OTHER LANGUAGES, MUSLIMS SHOULD PREFER THE FORMER.
S.M.PASHA

allah hafiz or khuda hafis

i think there is abig problem in using khuda .. Allah is the arbiv god and allah knows only arbic
so if you khuda hafis then eventhough we know alla and khuda are same but allah may not understand we amy not get protection
so use ALLAH HAFIZ only
ALLAH Hafiz 3 times

Allah-Hafiz/Khuda Hafiz

Allah knows everything. He knows every language. So there is no matter to say Allah Hafiz or Khuda Hafiz.

Great post

great post, but you got messed it up to make it long, too long to read. in this electronic age we usually dont find time to read so long, keep it simple and descriptive and to the point. please. by the way, i hav read it whole. :)

Allah-hafiz vs khuda hafiz

Although there is no wrong in saying khuda hafiz but saying Allah hafiz is always better.It not a matter of being adamant to saying something that u feel like being imposed by somebody.As a muslim u cannot deny the fact that Quran is the word of Allah.Allah is the Quranic name of God mentioned by Him itself.Nowhere wud u find khuda as a name for god in Quran.As regards ur question of dis liking de indianization of Indian Muslims, let me tell u that true islam being a complete code of life does not advocate nationality hence there is no point in saying an indian muslim as far as faith and conviction are concernen.Muslims for that matter are one ummah.A sincere advice is to shun the prejudice and the go off the pride.Allah shows the truest way to one whom He is pleased with.

Author's 'Urduwala' arguments stinks of 'Urdu' fanaticism

The author doesn't want to 'De-indianize' Islam and wants to replace 'Urdu' words for Islamic words and asserts it to be her right. This is how 'Chrisitanity' got mutilated into 'Greek', 'Latin', 'Anglican' and as many languages the world has 'Churches'. And today every church follows a 'Separate Religion of its own', making it pretty hard to define 'Christianity', itself.

Interestingly, the author is not the first person to claim such nonsense, as 'Kamal ata turk' preceded her argument in 'Turkey' in favor of 'Turkish' language which he eventually ended up giving an 'European' script.

Today as everybody know 'Kamal ata turk' is kicked into the 'Dust bin' of history and is considered a 'Scondrel' of the worst kind, by majority 'Muslims' in 'Turkey'

Now, I wanna ask the author, would she be using the translated 'Quran Verses' in her prayers? Again will she also argue for the call for prayer from Mosques to be changed to 'Khudha bahuth bada hain'? instead of 'Allahu Akbar'.

If she cannot bring herself to do the above, then what she is talking is fanatic 'Urduwala' non-sense, period.

The author thinks herself to be intelligent, when she drags English Speaking 'American Muslims' into the picture blaming them for siding with 'Arabs' and leaving 'the 'Older' Urduwalas in the lurch' (How old are you girl? As old as 'Hindi-cinima' perhaps, is what urdu language is, flourishing in the courts of 'Mughal' rulers, wasting themselves in Wine, Opium and Girls, of course excepting 'Aurangazeb Alamigir'.

Her above statement clearly underscores the fact that, when 'English speaking Americans' convert to Islam they readily accept the language of 'Al-quran', in the process even to an extant are ready to 'relinquish' and 'accommodate' a 'Global language' with about 2000 years of history, for the sake of 'Allah', 'Islam' and 'Arab' language, the language of 'Al-Quran' and our beloved Prophet.

But our 'Urduwala' fanatic 'Altamas' cannot relinquish a 500 year old 'Urdu' language and is ready to take cudgels dividing 'Islam' and 'Muslims', on the basis of her funny language, used by the worst people in 'Hindi Cinema', to acquire more and more 'ill-gotten' wealth.

These 'Uruduwalas' are divisive forces, in that, where ever they live, they bring 'Chaos', 'Division' and 'Strife', be it in 'Pakistan' or in 'England' or in 'US' or in 'India'. (Twocircles.net has previously clearly stated this, in one of its news editions as to how this "Urduwala" mentality has done great harm for 'Muslim' progress in USA).

I personally have been a victim of this 'Urduwaala' mentality, in 'Government Service', 'Tabliq', 'Jamate-Islaami', even in 'JAQH', as these '500 year old language fanatic 'Scums' divide, scuttle and spread 'canards' about their 'Tamil' speaking, 'Malayaalam' speaking 'Muslims', behind their backs and that too to their non-muslim friends, there by earn their ill-gotten favors from 'Government' and its agencies by all means.

The best example would be that of 'Indira Gandhi' supporting 'Urduwalla Tableegi Jamaat', while imprisoning 'Jamatae-Islami' leaders, as the then 'Tableegi Jamaat' leader wrote a book titled "Fitna-e Mawdudiyyat". For the sake of staying in the good books of 'Indira Gandhi, that 'Urduwalaa Tabliqi' leader never hesitated to 'Stab' a fellow Muslim organization in 'Cold-blood'. That is the 'Typical Urduwalla, Tabliqiwala' fanatics creed.

Today 'Urduwala Fanatic Tableeqi Jamaat' does this turn-coat tactics around the globe, to promote its 'Unislamic and noxious sufi' philosophy and take control of 'Mosques' using a lot of unscrupulous means, so much so that in Chennai Mosques are know to have banned 'Tabliqi' activities in their premises and at least one of them has stated so, in a 'Wall writing'.

The author says she is in 'Kerala' and drags 'Kerelaites' into her 'nonsense' argument.

As history records and vouch for it, keralite Muslims are direct descendants of 'Arab Muslim Traders' dating back to the days of Our beloved 'Prophet Rasoolallah' himself.

Keralite Muslim are far more 'Generous', 'Staunch' Muslims than this 'Hindi Cinema' and 'Tele-serial' eating, Urduwala 'blistering barnacles', who would dare to even substitute Kuran in 'Mosques' as the Sufi 'Tabligiwalaas' do using their 'Amalae Saalihaat' filled with 'Unislamic concoctions'.

'Almas' incidentally cryptozoologically means 'Wild Man', a hominid cryptozoological species reputed to inhabit the Caucasus and Pamir Mountains of central Asia, which is a fitting description of this 'Doctor' (I wanna kick that fellow, who allowed 'a Urdu Fanatic Scum' into a Medical College?) and that of all 'Urdu Fanatics', whom our beloved "Prophet Muhammed" has promptly disowned as not belonging to his people, who fight for their 'Language' and other sectarian causes, dividing Islam.

And the author, 'Urdu Fanatic Scum', choose to use 'Al-quraan' Verses in 'Arabic' and 'English' for her 'Vomit' of an argument is filled with 'Contradictions', which incidentally is one of the main root cause of 'URDUWALAH' strife, where ever these 'Wild' species live.

I have an advice to this 'girl' doctor, who probably should have managed to get admission with some 'Urduwala' tact - 'Physician heal thyself, Stop being a 'Urduwalaa Fanatic' and start becoming a Mulsim', and NOW.

And, I am personally ashamed to be so harsh on her, but after completing her course, the author would know by experience that 'it takes a 'Surgery' to cure certain maladies'.

May Allah guide this 'girl' to see the truth and accept all language speaking 'Muslims' as 'Equal' and to love 'Arab' language for the sake of Allah.

Masalaam.

Khan -- Are you for real ?

You are not a mature person - Almas (you changed her name to Altamas - Shame on you ) had put her thoughts on paper - She has every right to do that. You also have every right to oppose her views. But being childish and name calling like Urduwala Fanatic Altamas and also commenting that she thinks herself to be intelligent, asking how old is she?
The problem with people like you is --What you feel and what you think is right - My Way or the Highway - Mere siwa sab Kaafir.
You may not agree with somebody because of your stubborness or ego but also you should not insult the other person.
You have seperated Aurangzeb from the other Mughal Kings - Why because Alamgir Killed his Brothers and jailed his father to occupy the throne? Murder is not a big crime in your eyes but Wine, Opium and Girls are.

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