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Reservation is our right not alms: M. J. Akbar
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By TCN News,
Hyderabad: “Muslim should not beg alms from government but also should not hesitate to ask for their rights. To get reservation is our right.
When other backward and deprived people are given security and all kinds of facilities then why not Muslims? Muslims who have ruled India for centuries are now losing their self-confidence” said noted
journalist and columnist Mr. Mobasshir Javed (M.J.) Akbar.
He was delivering his extension lecture on ‘Challenges and opportunities for Urdu Media in 21st century’ at Maulana Azad National Urdu University, Hyderabad(MANUU) yesterday.
“Educational institutions and Universities like MANUU and teachers and professors can change the situation of Indian Muslims and not politicians. Urdu is so sweet language that has capacity to be familiar with any other language. Therefore, It is used in many other languages” he added.
He has advised students of journalism not to do journalism for panic and appeasement but adopt journalism for downtrodden Muslims.
On the occasion, he also released a journal ‘Izhaer’ from the students of Faculty of Mass Communication and Journalism.
Regretting on hijab issue he said: “It is very tough time in the history of civilization in which to cover head is being termed as backwardness while nudity and nakedness are considered as sign of progress. Modernization means political equality, secularism and
gender equality and these all things are part and parcel of Islamic teachings”
He welcomed the announcement 10% reservation for Muslims in West Bengal and said that if government is sincere in the matter, it will do it with appropriate cogent reasons otherwise it will be rejected by court.
Earlier, giving brief introduction of guest-M.J. Akbar-, Vice Chancellor K.R Iqbal Ahmad has informed the audiences that M.J. Aakbar has nodded to be visiting professor for faculty of Dispatch and Journalism.
Program was attended by students, teaching and non-teaching staffs of the University and dignitaries of the city including ex-Minister of state Mr. Bashiruddin, Professor Baig Ihsas, Mr. Aslam Farshuri and senior journalist Mr. Naseem Arfi.
Later he was given memento by the Old Boy Association (OBA) of MANUU. Office bearers of OBA welcomed the decision of M.J. Akbar to be visiting professor of the University and hoped that it would bring good result for the MANUU students.
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Reservation is our right not alms: M. J. Akbar
Mr.Akbar are you still roaming in fools paradise.
India was ruled by Mogals and not by Indian Muslims. Please do not treat your self as the apparent heirs of those babaric bandits who distroyed the very Indian culture and peace of the sub continent,destroyed temples and forced conversions. It is rediculous that the reservation is being demanded as right.Why are you underestimating the ability of the people to rise on their own.Those who get support never grow sound.They immediately collapse when support is removed.Take the case of Brahmins, they never got govt.support in last 60 years but still they are doing well .This is because of self reliance and not dependance. Muslim leadership in this country has already taken disadvantage of the after effects of partition on Muslims .It is not expected that people like you also will make such foolish comments to get popularity and clapps and push the community back further
Reservation is our right not alms: M. J. Akbar
It is correct .Who says that Indian Muslims ruled this country. Tomorrow the Indian Christians will also say that we ruled this country for 150 years. It is not only rediculous and absurd but anti-national to say that Christians ruled this country because Britishers were Christians.Like wise Indian Muslims should not treat themselves as rulers because foreign Arab Invadors were Muslims.They never considered Indian Muslims at par with them.Britishers ultimately took power from Marathas and Shikhs and not from Muslim rulers .So Indian Muslims should first get out of this erronous feeling that once upon a time we were rulers .Whosoever is demanding reservation i.e priority over others in a democratic nation ,is demanding alms and not right.
The rights of MUSLIMS have already been granted
The rights of MUSLIMS have already been granted- go get it. 100% reservation is available to Indian Muslims in Pakistan and Bengladesh- all Indian Muslims are free to go. It was the MUSLIM reservation which partitioned India, it shall not be allowed again.
Anonymous Again Wants Muslims to Leave
Anonymous says, "100% reservation is available to Indian Muslims in Pakistan and Bengladesh- all Indian Muslims are free to go."
The vicious suggestion that Indian Muslims do not have a right to demand redressal of perceived injustices in India is diabolical. This is sanghi propaganda. Muslim inputs are not published in sanghi or sena newspapers, and yet these sanghis get free access in Muslim outlets.
You are again wrong..... portraying TWISTED logic
You are again wrong portraying TWISTED logic, LGBT "Anonymous".
Indian Muslims were not responsible for partition of India - read correct history.
It was the "power-hungry" mentality of Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru - the un-opposed first Prime Minister of independent India, and who being a Kashmiri Pandit, "sold" Kashmiri people's rights. Read correct history.
Now, to rectify your TWISTED logic. Indian Muslims remained in India, due to their ancestral origin; due to independent India promising rights irrespective of caste, creed, race, religion, or origin. This is GUARANTEED in CONSTITUTION of INDIA.
If you have guts, try to change it. And, repeating (paying back) your own words - JOR LAGAKAR DEKH LEY !!!
An Indian
P.S.:
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I always say, if you point ONE finger towards others, three fingers AUTOMATICALLY point towards the pointer. Remember that; it's but nature - you can't change it.
Ekal Vidyalaya OR Sangh Parivar poisoned product
Among various "Anonymous" commenting on this platform, it is evident LGBT "Anonymous" is an Ekal Vidyalaya OR Sangh Parivar poisoned product. For such persons, there is a famous saying in common Indian language: KUTTAY KI DUUM - TEDHI KI TEDHI. Meaning
Someone tries to straighten a dog's twisted tail by inserting it in a "straight pipe". Then he removes the pipe after six-months, hoping it gets straightened. But, it instantly TWISTS BACK to "poisoned position". To remove the poison from body, it takes a long time.
When M J Akbar commented at Doha Debate that Muslims were getting a fair deal in India, coinding with Sachin Pilot's statements, I immediately commented. Read this, and comments from "Kabir", "Amamazed" and myself "An Indian":
http://www.twocircles.net/2010feb16/doha_debate_delhi_62_elites_think_mu...
I am sure LGBT "Anonymous" read above, and hid his tail in between hind legs, as it suits his version of TWISTED Hinduism.
When, same M J Akbar is commenting "Reservation is our right, not alms" with hypocricy, LGBT "Anonymous" SUDDENLY WAKES UP and comments.
Now, read this LGBT "Anonymous", and the various comments posted therein:
http://www.twocircles.net/polls/why_do_muslims_need_reservation.html#com...
Now, I wish to correct the points you raised about Moghul Rule and all the TWISTING of FACTS.
Even during Moghul Rule in India, there were Brahmin BIRBALS to influence Moghul Emperor's decisions to "suit OR affect Brahmin (High Caste) interests". And, FYI even Brahmins are European-origin foreigners. I am sure you read about Brahmin hereditity and origin; OR shall I give you some evidence ???
Lastly, if you are naive, and don't know the full-form of LGBT, it stands for LESBIAN, GAY, BISEXUAL, TRANSGENDER. Got it "Anonymous"???
Next time, before starting to use your "keyboard", think twice and write TRUTH; don't try to TWIST and present PERVERTED Logic. Thank you and, Good Luck. May your Bhagwaan give you little "sanbuddhi".
An Indian
P.S.
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If you haven't, please go and watch Bollywood movie "MY NAME IS KHAN". I am not advertising for Shahrukh Khan (who is half Muslim and half-Hindu) OR producer Karan Johar; but there are MORAL LESSONS for all communities (including Hindus) to learn, which are NOT TAUGHT at Ekal Vidyalaya or Sangh Parivar's CHINTAN BAITHAK. Some "perverted" Muslims' views, are also ridiculed in the movie.
Mandal has not laid down a separate sub-quota for Muslims
Reservations for SCs/STs is already amounted to 22.5%. So Mandal’s recommendation of 27% is only for the OBCs. The total comes to 49.5%. Because of this the supreme court made a ruling that there should not be more than 50% of reservations( 22.5% for the SCs/STs and 27% for OBCs.
But Mandal has not laid down a separate sub-quota for OBCs of different religious communities or for major backward classes. What the Muslim minorities desperately desire is to sort the community into two groups:
One: Economically forward( perhaps not more than 10%) and
Two: Economically backward
and then include the economically backward within reservation quota meant for the OBCs without discrimination, without prejudice without politicking.
Muslims do not want a separate reservation. They are not asking for the moon. They are asking for their constitutional rights as M.J. Akbar says.
Is the military restricted territory for the upper caste?
Govt eliciting views of ministries on Ranganath Misra report is a complete eye wash .
But the interesting question is why did the Congress led Govt appoint a commission to do research and give its findings?
Well the answer is to get sympathy vote from the minorities. It was a success, it worked. The Muslim minorities voted the congress and was massively responsible to place them back in power. As usual once in power, the Congress says, it is eliciting the views of others—who are the so called others?
Was national consensus obtained when the Indian army consisted of 35% Sikhs, a huge disproportionate number.
The reservation for SCs and STs as it has been for 2 generations is 22.5%. Do we have 22.5% of the fighting men in the Indian armed forces from the SCs and STs. They can make wonderful fighters but why the segregation? Why the discrimination? Why leave them out?
Is the military restricted territory for the upper caste and the so called warrior race?
And in the Indian air force? The SCs and STs do not represent even 0.5%. Why? Is Air Force a restricted territory for the upper caste and the so called warrior race?
It is high time BJP followed the same policy in the case of Muslim minorities to get their votes and come back to power and make the minorities stay between the rock and the hard stone.
It is high time the Muslim minorities forgot their differences and started a huge political force of their own and got united to make themselves politically empowered.Until then as Akbar says we are going to live on alms.
There is no restriction in Military
Jammu &Kashmir Regiment is only for Kashmiri Muslims, Jammu & Kashmir Rifles is for all people of J&K irrespective of their religion, Madras Regiment is for all people of the four south Indian states - caste religion no bar. Similarly Bihar, Punjab, Assam, Kumaon, Garhwal, Parachute, Guards, Tank Regiments, Artillery, Air Defense, Engineers, Supply Corps, Ordinance, Military Police etc etc all have "all India caste-less, religion-less selection to Army". IF MUSLIMS ARE NOT GETTING SELECTED IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PASSING THE EXAMINATION.
Only SIKH, Dogra, Jat, SIKH Infantary ( for SC SIKHS) MAHAR (for SC MAHARS), GURKHAS are caste based. While J&K has two army regiments GUJARAT has no regiment of its own.
POOR EXIST IN ALL COMMUNITIES IN INDIA. If 90% of 15 Crore Indian Muslims are poor it would be 13.5 Crore POOR INDIANS. But if 20% of the 80 Crore Hindus are poor it would be 16 CRORE poor Indians. While 90% to 20% may seem a big disparity, there would be 2.5 Crore more HINDU poor than MUSLIM poor in real terms. Educated MUSLIMS of KERALA are economically well off. So rest of Indian Muslims must also educate themselves to improve their economic status.
NO RESTRICTION - ONLY CORRUPTION
Yes "Anonymous" there is NO RESTRICTION in Indian Military - ONLY CORRUPTION.
Arms Purchase Deal - Kickbacks
RDX Diversion for civilian use to kill Indians - Paybacks
Courtesy: Srikant Prasad Purohit
Shaheed (killed) soldiers casket contract - Kickbacks
etc. etc. etc.
How can Indian Muslims earn part of that PIE ???
There were Muslim officers up-to 60's and 70's as Indian Military required their VALUABLE EXPERIENCE. After that COMMISSIONED OFFICER'S EXAM was implemented, which effectively gave chance for elimination of new recruits, based on caste, creed, race, and religion. Thank you.
Check regimental recruitment records, since 70's and 80's, and post your TRUTHFUL comment.
Amamazed
Mr. Amanazed, Indian Army is
Mr. Amanazed,
Indian Army is the most secular institution in India. Thousands of accounts, including of many muslim generals will vouch for this fact. So you dare not question its secular credentials. Why don't you look at it this way, may be muslims do not meet its requirements or may be they are so busy blaming others, they don't want to do something good for their country.
Problem is muslims of India have become expert whiners. Blaming everyone, except themselves for their ills. How is that Christians, another minority have educated themselves and are a thriving vibrant community fully integrated into national main stream. How is that Sikhs dont feel persecuted as Muslims do? How is that other minorities do not reject polio drops or family planning as state-sponsored tactic to control their population. Think about it.
Regards
A partiot INDIAN
Pre-partition army was different from present day army
Pre-partition army was different from present day army. Then the tanks, guns etc used could be handled by illiterate soldier. But present day weapons are computer controlled and need basic scientific knowledge. So when BRITISHERS selected able bodied men as they had to just shoot at Indians with a 303 Rifle there would have been more MUSLIMS. But the present day soldier has to be educated and need to be 10 Class pass and intelligent which the MUSLIMS are NOT and so are not getting selected. Either educate yourself or stop complaining.
I am amazed at KUTTAY KI DUUM
I am again amazed at LGBT "Anonymous" comments about Pre-partition army. We had Indian Army Muslim Officers who retired in 60's and 70's. Now, LGBT is going pre-partition period, saying that we need 10th class pass, and Muslims are not. What a shame-less comment !!! How come we had MUSLIM OFFICERS after partition, then none (or very few) after 70's and 80's ???
Now, if Indian Muslims are not even 10th class pass, then the blame again goes back to GOI for neglecting about their educational needs / literacy programs under GOI's 10-year plans / etc. etc. etc.
And then, India SHOULD NOT boast about claiming: "Shining India" / "Regional Superpower" / and what not; when 15% plus Indian Muslims of the one-billion plus Indian population, are not even 10th class pass - as shamelessly claimed.
LGBT "Anonymous" should be ashamed of telling: that Muslims are not even 10th class pass. Now, my question: How come Indian Muslims are DOCTORS / ENGINEERS / SCIENTISTS at NASA, and are doing so well in Western Countries, including America???
An Indian
Mr Anonymous a genius mathematician
Shukran Jazeelan Brother Amamazed for your fitting reply.May I add a bit.
Anonymous's statistics stating that in real terms more Hindus are poorer, is the work of genius mathematician like you Mr Anonymous and if you apply the same method of calculation the Indian Muslims in both real terms and in ratio terms are poorer, weaker, lower in the number of senior officers, in political representation, in employment, in education and in the redistribution of wealth
Your reason for 2% representation of Muslim in India’s armed forces is a fabrication.
You say Muslims fail the tests. That is a lie. In the pre-partition India, Muslims had 40% representation in the armed forces. Do you mean to say that they were more fitted physically in 1940s and less fitted after independence.
It is simple and unadulterated discrimination based on bias, prejudice and the influence of the politically dominant castes in India. Do not tell me vegetarians can be better fighters more masculine than meat eaters.
Military kickbacks were taken by politicians.
All the military kickbacks - BOFORS, CASKET etc -all major arms had kickbacks were taken by politicians. MUSLIMS keep harping on one PANDIT- even if true it just is an exception. All the hate campaign by MUSLIMS to discredit all functioning apparatus of Indian GOVT is a planned effort to undermine India- to break it up, take India back to ISLAMIC RULE which will not be allowed.
If MUSLIMS are "intelligently challenged" what can rest of India do. QUR'AN Surah 4/97 says-
When the angels take the soul of those who die,
They say: "In what plight where YOU"?????
you replay: "weak and oppressed were we in EARTH." They say: "Was not the Earth of Allah spacious enough for YOU to move yourself away"
Such men will find their abode in HELL
What an evil refuge
So all Indian Muslims who feel oppressed in India has two OPTIONS.
OPTION 1- Live in India in an oppressed state and then BURN IN HELL FIRE after death for not abiding by QUR'AN Surah 4/97. It will be asked "hasn't the GUIDANCE been revealed and why was it not obeyed?".
OPTION 2 - Escape from India and "live a free ISLAMIC LIFE" and after death escape from HELL FIRE too and enter JANNAT.
FEEL FREE TO EXERCISE THE OPTION. AFTER IT IS YOUR LIFE AND "AFTER LIFE" TOO.
Option is yours !!!
Thank you LGBT "Anonymous" for your SUPPORT to your BOSSES, and we know you are IGNORANT. We also thank you "humbly", for "proudly" giving option "1" and "2", to Indian Muslims.
Indian Muslims choose your "Option-1" WITH SPECIFIC PURPOSE; i.e. to correct those Indians, who are "going astray".
And we will ALSO go to Heaven, taking those who "correct themselves". We are doing: WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO i.e. TO BE ON RIGHT PATH, and BRING THOSE WHO ARE GOING ASTRAY, FROM THE RIGHT PATH.
This is one of the many PURPOSES of LIFE. Ooperwaala has sent "every human" into this world with a purpose. If you want to learn more, borrow DVD's, CD's or VIDEO-CASSETTES of Dr. Zakir Naik - available "free" in any Indian city or town.
Fulfill that purpose RIGHTLY / TRUTHFULLY / DUTIFULLY go to HEAVEN.
Willfully / intentionally / maliciously CHOOSE to GO ASTRAY, don't be afraid of going to HELL. You will never gain "moksha" !!!
Humans are given those choices. Animals don't. That's what differentiates "Humans" from "Animals" !!!
If you choose to consider yourself "pure" BY BURNING YOURSELF ON FIRE ((chita ka Jalaana)), and consider that Ooperwaala will not punish humans, for sins committed in this world, after one dies, then you are TOTALLY mistaken.
A man CAN TAKE a "horse to a pond", but he CANNOT make it drink. You want to drink water OR wish to remain ASTRAY !!! The option is yours.
Good Luck.
An Indian
There is NO restriction - but ONLY discrimination
Thank you LGBT "Anonymous" for your lengthy comment giving different regiments of Indian Military.
There is NO RESTRICTION in Indian Military - but there is ONLY DISCRIMINATION.
And there is CORRUPTION in Indian Military - from officers like Srikant Prasad Purohit, diverting RDX to be used in bomb-blasts used against civilians.
Thank you
An Indian
Treat Muslims as the Marginalised and Give their due share
“Indian Muslims will get development the day they vote for development.”
The fact is that in India, the Govt., alone has the power and resources to uplift the deprived, provide relief and rehabilitation in situations of distress, invest in economic development and to give hope of justice to the downtrodden.
India is a multi-segmented society. Only the Govt can give a due share to of education and employment to all sections and help to eliminate hostile discrimination.
Political power even in our democracy is monopolized by a few dominant castes ( 20%) and the Govt. resources are largely used for the comfort and progress of this 20% dominant castes.
This 20% combines political, economic and social power. It controls national resources and decides the course and content of development in the country. This is unfair.
Who are the rest 80%? The 80% belongs to the SCs, STs, OBCs and the Muslim minorities. What initiative does this 80% take to change things? Almost zero. Except their precious votes, wasted once in 5 years.
The Muslim minorities do not want a separate reservation as such but ask the Government to include them within the deprived segment( 80%) of Indians who live on a daily expenditure of between Rs 20 to 50.
About 75% of the Govt., Expenditure in India, goes towards payment of salaries, wages, allowances and pensions. Is it not unfair that a particular caste(s), a specific segment gets 80% of this total Govt., expenditure where as the economically weaker people including the Muslim minorities get only 20% of the Govt. Expenditure.
And in the case of the Indian Muslim, their share of the public sector employment is between 2 to 3%, and hence they get 2-3% of the Govt. expenditure.
Rangnath Misra Commission has given valuable suggestions to correct this injustice but even the Prime Minister plays the political card dishonestly saying that he needs “national consensus”( he means NEVER will it be done), indirectly telling that all political parties need Muslims to vote for them expecting nothing return.
M.J. Akbar, a veteran journalist and former lawmaker, has put it more convincingly as follows:
“For sixty years Muslims have voted out of fear, and FEAR is what they got in return from those they elected: the politics of fear.”
He also says the problem is that Muslims never tried to think of their own leadership.
“Indian Muslims don’t have leaders, they have pleaders. They plead with their mentors for crumbs; and they plead with their electorate once every five years for survival.
“Indian Muslims will get development the day they vote for development.”
If you believe in muslim reservation why were you of the opinion
If M J Akbar believes in muslim reservation being our right why was he of the opinion that Indian Muslims are getting a fair deal at the doha debates???
Hypocrisy Mr. Kabir!!! That was MJ Akbar's hypocrisy
MJ Akbar's opinion at Doha Debate about Muslims getting a fair deal in India, was out of PURE HYPOCRISY.
Again it is "hypocrisy" that he is commenting with "tongue-in-cheek" to seek position of "Visiting Professor for Journalism at MANUU".
You very well pointed and picked "change in Girgut colour" Mr. Kabir !!!
Amamazed
MJ AKBAR - reservation already exist.
MJ AKBAR - reservation already exist for Indian Muslims, that too 100% reservation- in Pakistan and Bangladesh- weren't they all Indian Muslims till 1947. So any Indian Muslim who wants reservation for themselves must emigrate to Pakistan. Religious reservation given by BRITISH to MUSLIMS resulted in partition of India and Indian Muslims got their own country Pakistan- with 100% bonus, a Bangladesh too. The HYDRA HEADED MONSTER of religious reservation for MUSLIMS will not be tolerated in India.
Brahmins are foreigners
This DNA report was published in the Times of India (May 21, 2001) which proves that Brahmins, Kshatiryas and Vaishyas are Europeans and invaded India only to divide, rule and fool the indigenous people. They created the caste system of graded inequality in India. After BAMCEF reproduced this report, the Times of India immediately removed it from its website. The study says the genetic distance is close between Europeans and Brahmins (0.10) followed by Kshatriyas (0.12) and Vaishyas (0.16).
It means the DNA of Brahmins and Europeans (99.99%) is very close, followed by Kshatriyas (99.98%) and Vaishyas (99.94%).
European origin of upper caste male
Washington: The upper caste Indian male population is genetically closer to Europeans than the lower castes, which are more “Asian”, according to a potentially controversial new study being published in the forthcoming issue of the journal, Human Genome. (The Times of India, May 21, 2001).
The authors of the study say their findings support historical data indicating that West Eurasians migrating into India during the last 10,000 years were mostly male. An analysis of the genetic material also shows that the “ancestors of Indian men and women came from different parts of the world,” says Michael Bamshad of the University of Utah , who led the research group.
Origin of caste system
The researchers say this difference in gender and genetic make up may also hold the key to the origin of the caste system. The migrating or invading male population left descendants in the higher than lower castes and may have even devised the caste system, Bamshad said in an interview with the TOI Brahmin correspondent.
Bamshad’s study showed that each caste’s mitochondrial DNA, which is derived from the mother only, has a greater similarity to Asians than to Europeans, but the upper castes show less similarity than do the lower castes.
The Times of India report confirms the DV Editorial of Jan.16, 2010 that the Jews and the “Jews of India” are brothers.
Conversely, Y-chromosome data, derived from the father only, show each caste more similar to Europeans, with the upper castes being most similar, probably because more Eurasian males migrated to India than did Eurasian females.
Anonymous says "Emigrate to Pakistan"
Mr.Anonymous, if every time India's Muslims seek justice, saffronites like you respond by parroting "Emigrate to Pakistan", one will have to call your buff. Partition is now history. Those who wanted to migrate to Pakistan did so long ago. Those Muslims who remain in India are as much Indian citizens as any other Indians. They will participate in India's democracy, India's economic progress and India's defense like any other Indians, and they will present their demands and fight for their rights like any other Indians. If you don't like it, lump it!
Suggestion to only Muslims unhappy in India.
Suggestion was to only Muslims unhappy in India and feel that they can only progress with OUT RELIGIOUS based reservation. A secular country like INDIA will become NON-SECULAR if "religious based reservation" is implemented. Since ISLAM and CHRISTIANITY claim to be caste-less religions the existing reservation can not be given to them. So ALL MUSLIMS WHO WANT RESERVATION ON RELIGIOUS GROUNDS CAN LEAVE INDIA because it was such reservation granted by BRITISH which led to division of INDIA in 1947. India can not afford another partition.
India is for all Indians
India is for all Indians. India is not private property of Sangh Parivar.
Those who want Hindu Rashtra go to Nepal, the only Hindu country in the World !
By the same argument, all
By the same argument, all those people who claim they are not getting a fair deal can go elsewhere.
And answering to another commentator, muslims were not promised anything. All the people of this country, who wanted to be part of this nation gave themselves some freedoms. So please dont have false hopes that Indian state pleaded with muslims to keep him here.
Reply to Anonymous on Religion-based Reservation
Anonymous says, "A secular country like INDIA will become NON-SECULAR if "religious based reservation" is implemented."
If Hindu Dalits get reservations and Muslim Dalits don't, that is religion based reservation. About 80 to 85% of India's Muslims are Dalit converts. It is true that Dalit is not an Islamic category, but scars, humiliations and desocialization of 100 generations of dalithood are not erased simply by conversion.
Weren't those scars removed by converting to Islam?
The conversion to Islam which commenced long back was on the expilcite promise that the scar of caste-ism will be abolished immediately on conversion to ISLAM. If ISLAM has failed to remove caste-ism by NOT adhering QUR'AN and HADITS, it is that fault of ISLAM. Muslims who do NOT live adhering to QUR'AN and HADITS are NOT MUSLIMS and so Indian Muslims have seized to be MUSLIMS if they insist that caste-ism and DALIT MUSLIMS are prevalent in ISLAM
Now Anonymous blames Islam!
Anonymous said, "If ISLAM has failed to remove caste-ism ...... it is that fault of ISLAM."
Islam does not practice untoucbability or caste-based blocks to upper mobility but it is a fallacy to say that Islam promises any socio-economic advantages to those who want to convert. It preaches that all are equal in the eyes of God but it is not a socialist or communist doctrine. As I said before, scars, humiliations and desocialization resulting from 100 generations of dalithood are not erased simply by conversion.
Anon! This means you accept the exclusion
@ Anonymous!
Your logic fails when we ask the question as to why Indian reservations need not be for Muslims or Chritians and only Hindus or local generated concepts called Indian religions. The presidential orders which is openly discriminating was enacted to appeace the rightist in Hindus and you expect others to pay. The cap of 50% ensures that the upper caste gets 50% by default and what Muslims get is a more qualified person for lesser job. No surprise that once in position the rise up the ladder due to their hard work and odd 'Nationalists' who do not bother for the white thread. These risen starts are then shown as proof of secularism. Wake up or find Indian wandering.
Reservation already exist....
Whatever reservation, that exists in India, is NOT BEING PROPERLY IMPLEMENTED.
IMPROPER IMPLEMENTATION OF EXISTING RESERVATION is being QUESTIONED !!!
Those falling under RESERVED CATEGORY are not getting a fair deal - LGBT "Anonymous" !!! Did you get that in your POISON-STUFFED head ???
If not, read this couplet from Kabir Das Ji, and think in your aeykant (seclusion) about it's deep-rooted meaning.
Pehle Agan Birha Ki, Pachhe Prem Ki Pyas
Kahe Kabir Tub Janiye, Naam Milan Ki Aaas
English translation:
(First the pangs of separation
Next grows the thirst for Love
Says Kabir, then only hope
The union to materialize)
An Indian
No news coverage of Gujrat Rape
Does twocircles have selective amnesia? It keeps reporting atrocities on Muslims but what about Muslim atrocities? Was there any report on the rape of the Hindu girl by 3 muslim youth who abducted her in Gujrat? Today the 3 were given life sentence.
Rightly sentenced for crime
If the three Muslim youths have committed the henious crime of rape, and you say they have been "sentenced to life in prison" - we whole-heartedly agree, if right justice was imparted. We are seeking similar justice i..r.o. Godhra carnage, and many other crimes against innocent women, children in Gujarat.
And that's what, all Indians across the board are expecting "Anonymous". It's not important that every crime is covered by TCN and every other news media. Every news media is doing their part / role.
JUSTICE is the need of hour. We are fed-up of INJUSTICE / BIAS / PREJUDICE / HATRED / POLITICAL INTERVENTION / POLICE EXCESSES / TARGETED KILLINGS / SUPARI KILLINGS / ENCOUNTERS / ILLEGAL ACTS / FAVOURITISM / Culprits roaming freely, etc. etc. etc.
Everyone needs to be punished for crimes. NO-ONE SHOULD BE REWARDED for CRIMES - like we are seeing / witnessing / hearing / watching these days.
Read what happened to this foreigner gentlemen, visiting India with so many good expectation, and how he was treated while exiting India
http://twocircles.net/2010feb19/my_name_carmichael_and_i_am_not_terroris...
Such kind of bias, hatred, suspicion, targeted selection / projection of all Muslims as suspects, NEED TO BE STOPPED.
Also read this article, if you did not. Decide for yourself whether such STUPID ACTIONS are justified??
http://www.twocircles.net/2010feb07/they_re_terrorist_say_co_passenger_a...
Now read this Kabir Das Ji's couplet, in original language with English translation
Sayeen Itna Deejiye, Ja Mein Kutumb Samaye
Main Bhi Bhookha Na Rahun, Sadhu Na Bhookha Jaye
English translation:
(Give so much Oh God, suffice to envelop my clan
I should not suffer cravings, nor the visitor go unfed)
An Indian
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