The Ayodhya verdict, beyond the liberal Brahmanical framework

By Feroze Mithiborwala,

The Ayodhya Verdict was a judicial demolition and justification of the destruction of the Babri Masjid. The verdict stands in utter contempt of the Indian constitution, as was the demolition. The verdict is an affront to the very vision of an India that is rooted in its secular and plural values.

The judgment has set an unprecedented precedent by giving precedence to belief or aastha over law. A civil title suit was reduced to a theological verdict.

This is the process whereby the Brahmanic Manusmriti increasingly gains precedence over the Ambedkarite Constitution.

The verdict, far from ensuring a respectful closure, has opened up a Pandoras box, whereby every place of religious worship will be under threat from the RSS and its myriad militant affiliates, who have proved their prowess at conducting pogroms and destruction of mosques in Gujarat.

Thus this verdict has actually created new grave problems, instead of solving the old.

Clearly the verdict is less of a legal pronouncement and more of a political settlement sought by the Congress, RSS and the BJP. This has in turn only compounded the imbroglio.

What is also missing from the entire discourse is the fact that the mobilization and demolition of the Babri Masjid on the 6th of December, was the Brahmanical counter to the Punyatithi or death anniversary celebration of Dr. Ambedkar, wherein lakhs of Dalits, OBC's and other oppressed masses go to the Chaitya Bhoomi to pay their respects.

This was the revenge of the RSS, as Dr. Ambedkar had converted to Buddhism with lakhs of his followers on the last day of Dussehra in 1956.

Also the fact is that Advani's Rath Yatra was a counter to the announcement of the Mandal commission by VP Singh. Thus the focal point of the entire Ram Mandir movement has been to target the Muslim community and the co-option of the Dalit, OBC masses into the Brahmanic fold.

Thus at the core lies the ideological struggle between the emancipatory, egalitarian and humanitarian principles as enunciated by Mahata Phule, Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar and Brahmanism on the other.

Thus the design is to build a grand or Bhavya Ram Temple as a counter to the Chaitya Bhoomi.

It is also a religio-cultural counter-revolution against the fast spreading Buddhism across all of North India, especially amongst certain sections of the empowered Dalits.

The most dangerous and offensive part of this judgment is the fact that it has justified the ravings and rantings of L. K. Advani, Uma Bharti, Vinay Katiyar, Kalyan Singh and their entire ilk.

For the judgment to mention that Bhagwan Ram was born under the central dome of the Babri Masjid, is an incredible leap of aastha. Even the findings of the ASI report that could not be determined even by the best of historians and archeologists, was used as conclusive evidence.

Most incredible of this all is that one of the parties to the dispute is Ram Lalla Virajman himself. This is again unprecedented. A deity is a participant in a legal dispute, who is then granted a judicial status with a birth certificate.

Do we need the courts to go into this terrain of beliefs, where tomorrow the very status of God or Eshwar or Allah or Ahura Mazda will be decided?? Ridiculous and preposterous!!

Even though the Court agrees that the idols were placed there in 1949, itstill does not find it a criminal act, even though an FIR had been lodged.

So the entire criminal act, leading to the very demolition is then justified and the precedent thus set, that can be replicated with little cause for worry for the RSS and it’s fanatic hordes.

Though the Congress is shouting from the rooftops, that the Civil suite will have no bearings on the criminal case, the glaring delays over the Liberhan Commission (extended 49 times!!) report is proof of the collusion between the Congress and the RSS-BJP.

LK Advani has taken all precautions to differentiate between the leadership that stood at the frontline directing the crazed mobs and those of the thousands who were indulging in the violence and destruction.

Actually the matter could have been resolved in a different and far more sensible manner that would have given a respectful closure to all of Indian society.

All that the judges required to say was the following. That none of the disputants to the title suit can prove their possession. Since all the parties have been present, sharing and praying at the said site since 1855, the property has to be shared equitably.

That was all that was required, but instead the judgment has opened vistas in which the possibilities for stirring the communal cauldron are immense.

We are amongst the world's most ancient civilizations and if we start digging up, every little plot of land will throw up a religious dispute.

And even though there is no evidence that a Temple was destroyed to build a mosque, yet judge Sharma behaved like he was writing a pamphlet for the RSS.

The very Ramcharitramanas of Tulsidas never mentioned even the possibility of this dispute, even though he was around 30 years old when the Babri mosque was built in 1528 and was functioning till 1949.

The Nirmohi Akhada were staking their claim to the property, but never raised the issue of Bhagwan Ram's birthplace.

The ASI report also mentions Buddhist and Jain remains, but very little public debate on this aspect, as clearly Ayodhya was and is an important centre for these two religions as well.

Thus a number of legal luminaries have been astonished at the judgment & have debunked it as a mere panchayati faisla.

This judgment actually proves that the judges had no aastha or faith in the Indian constitution and thus the Brahmanical sham.

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All Brahmin Gods Carry Weapons Like Terrorists,Why?

Why do Brahmin Gods and Godesses need weapon.From ages their followers worship these weaponised Gods.You cannot find a trace of Buddism,Jainism in most parts of India,They have expertised in demolishing Non-Brahmin places of Worship.Muslim leadership since ages has alligned with Brahmins and have in turn Brahmanised themselves.It is almost difficult to find a single muslim leader who does not have brahmin women married in to their families.Only Taimur and Aurangzeb taught lesson to these brahmins and helped Non Brahmins,particularly the Dalits.Indian Muslims must get out of the cluthes of agents of Brahmins among their leadership and forge strong partnership with true Dalit Organisations which are not Under the Brahmin Umbrela.Ram killed a dalit Sambuk to aliven a dead brahmin youth this is why they want his temple,all these years they were sleeping.Unfortunately to built Ram Temple they have selected the wrong place.Brahmins this time will not succeed in their strategy of Saam,Daam,Dund and Bhead in dividing the Muslim Organisations, Individual Muslim leaders and Urdu Media,the Munafiqeen's would be taken care off,Despite GOI pumping Billions among Babri Masjid Players.To name a few Shahi Imam Jama Masjid Delhi,Asaduddin Owaisi[M.P],Santosh Bhartiya,Shahid Siddiqui[ex-M.P],All India Imam Organisation,Jamiat Ulema's Madni's,FEW AIMPLB MEMBERS,KAMAL FAROOQUI,Shia leader Kalbey Sadiq,Wali Rehmani,Hashim Ansari.URDU SAHARA GROUP EDITOR and the most important Advocate Zafaryaab Jilani. http://www.bismillahnews.in/?page_id=47 , http://www.bismillahnews.in/?page_id=58

Brahmins are the right leaders for Muslims

Prophet(pbuh) was born in the the most powerful Qureshi tribe who controlled Kaaba. There were 360 idols inside Kaaba and Prophet's(pbuh) grand father Abdul Muttalib was the chief priest and custodian of Kaaba.

When Prophet(pbuh) brought Islam, the idol worshipping Qureshis opposed him, insulted him, threw stones and finally decided to kill him. To save his life, Prophet(pbuh)fled mecca to medina.

Finally all those enemies of Islam embraced Islam at the very hands of our Prophet(pbuh) and became great leaders of Islam. How did this happen?. The main reason for Qureshi's opposition to Islam was they feared that they will loose their revenue and enormous power they wielded over the region. Prophet(pbuh)convinced them that wealth accumulation and exploitation will unite the suppressed masses against them and will lead to their defeat. Finally Qureshis realised that wealth distribution, equality and justice is the answer for mankind and embraced Islam.

In fact, those pagan Qureshis who didn't accept Islam migrated to Hindustan and became Brahmins. Just think about the relationship between "BRAHM, I-BRAHM and A-BRAHM" and the similarity between Hajj and Tirupathi rituals like 7 times circumambulation, shaving head, wearing Ihram etc.

Indian Muslims must invite Brahmins to embrace Islam and takeover the leadership of Akhand Bharat to bring peace and better life for 1.6 billion people.

Intriguing

The self assumed muslim intellectuals ( not ordinary muslims) with artificial intelligence are trying to LIVE in Two Circles. In the process they are constatntly in the state of self denial and unable to stay in any circle. Sri Feroze Mithiborwala's article and response from readers are total misreading and mispresentation of facts.

I am deeply pained by the  fanatic attitude of muslims.

Hindus kept 1000yrs of islamic terrorism behind them.
But still about half of the land of India was given to them to make their homeland(Pak).
Those mulla Pakis did not share power with others. Instead hindus were driven out from pak.

Even then our forefathers have opted for secularism and share the power with all in the
land given to hindus(India).!!

What more secularism our muslims want?

Is there one such secular community(like Hindus) in the entire history of planet?

What hindus got in return?  Ethnic cleansing in Kashmir!
And we can not get a small piece of land which is SACRED to us although another prayer hall  for muslims!.

Why they do not vacate our sacred land for us? Where is the need for court involvement unless muslims have a grand hideden agenda on India? . What is the motive behind obstructing the temple which is sacred to hindus? Are muslims feeling it as an obstacle in their grand Islamization plan?

Their stubborn behaviour would only lead to liberation of our other temples.

Hindus have givenup too much to their fault for the sake of secularism.

What benefit this secularism brought to hindus?

On the top of that they can not get even an acre of their SACRED land ?.

 The secularism brought only 2nd class citizenship to Hindus.

I regret that our forefathers have opted for secularism without envisaging the hidden agenda of Abrahamic religions over India.

Brahmin Khalifa

The problem with 650 million Muslims in the subcontinent is leadership. They wish they could have brilliant leaders like Brahmins but the fact is it's impossible for them to create one.

There is a great opportunity for Brahmins here. What will happen if one lakh Brahmins say Shahadha enmasse and embrace Islam?. The Muslim world will burst with joy and celebrations and in one master stroke the Indian Muslims will become the most powerful community in the Muslim world.

There is no competition for the new Muslim Brahmins in the entire subcontinent and by default the entire Akhand Bharat will nominate a "Brahmin Khalifa" as their leader.

Win-win solution. Why NOT?

Anyone is WELCOME to join....

"Dravidan" @ 14 October 2010 - 12:40pm. under title: Brahmin....

Dravidan, I believe you are UNAWARE - anyone is WELCOME to JOIN Islam or become a Muslim. Here is the story of Acharya Sanjay Prasad Dwivedi - a "highest class" Brahmin. Watch this short YouTube clip, which may give enlightenment to all those Brahmins who are interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPdts-pxukc

You maybe interested in watching some more clips from Acharya Sanjay Prasad Dwivedi - now Ahmed Pandit. Here are some more clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSFFaA3PXgw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nld30Ers2PQ

Good luck to you and all those, who wish to join the FASTEST GROWING religion, which even the West and Christians FEAR the most after their SUCCESSFUL attack on Communism and "disintegration" of U.S.S.R. and the Communist Block countries.

An Observer

Brahmin was and always is....

"Dravidan" @ 14 October 2010 - 12:40 pm. under title: Brahmin...

A Brahmin "was" and always "is" NANGA (Naked).

A Brahmin "only" KNOWS how to FOOL masses for his sole benefit.

A Brahmin "only" can lead in a TEMPLE !!! In modern India - they are showing "white thread" at job interviews and getting preferantial treatment / job surety.

A Brahmin (temple pujari) molests, sometimes "rapes", and also has ILLICIT RELATIONSHIP(s) with WOMEN DEVOTEES. Readers have read hundreds of news-stories PRINTED in "microscopic" size, in the inner pages.

Sati was PRACTICED "not" because of fear of Muslims - but to ESCAPE or BECOMING TARGETS of Pujaris. Considering the plight of "widows" - Muslims legalized marriage of "widows".

A Brahmin "legalized" prostitution ((Devadasis) for their own pleasure / benefit. If you don't know - there are three kinds OR types DEVADASIS (maybe more). Study well, and then comment.

A Brahmin has rarely EVER contributed ANYTHING WORTHWHILE for benefit of humanity.

A Brahmin is the "most coward" of knows HOW TO act CUNNINGLY and from attack from being in BACKGROUND

Shall I write more GREAT TRAITS / ACCOMPLISHMENTS of a Brahmin ?

An Indian

I am a Brahmin

An Indian: Brahmins are a caste. Castes were based on occupations in India. Unfortunately the occupation gave way to birthrights. Sati was practiced in Rajasthan to prevent their ladies being raped from the Muslim marauders. Well if the ladies had poison why would they need to burn themselves up? That's because the fanatical Arab invaders would rape even the dead bodies. The Al Anfal sura in the Qu'ran should be read by all Kaffirs to know the true intention of war and Jihad in Islam. By saying the above he wants to say All Brahmins are terrorists. And to that I say, all Muslims are not terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims. Amen.

"Anonymous Baabu"

After HAVING proved you WRONG on several occasions, you DISAPPEARED from TCN portal, ONLY to REAPPEAR with YET ANOTHER "lies". For TCN-Readers, who are unaware, here is article and SERIES of LIES by "Anonymous Baabu" which I proved WRONG. Please take time to read the article and various comments, starting from May 17 2010.

http://www.twocircles.net/2010may15/tcn_cartoon_honourable_kasabs.html?p...

Again, "Anonymous Baabu" started his OLD-TACTICS of SPREADING "Jhoota Prachaar of Sangh Parivaar" - abusing TCN website. I believe, this MAHASHAY was BANNED from POSTING COMMENT(s), because of BASELESS and UNVERIFIABLE FACT(s) being posted to TARNISH TCN-Website.

This time "Anonymous Baabu" seems to ACCEPT my points, except the practice of SATI. Well "Anonymous Baabu", SATI was practiced - because the dying husbands bodies were burned, and their widows were FORCED to DIE on HUSBAND's PYRE - a CRUEL PRACTICE. Muslims respect DEAD, even if the DEAD PERSON was a rogue in his / her life - and they believe it is Ooperwaala, who gives JUSTICE according to ONE'S DEEDS in his LIFE. I can write, reams, pages, and volumes explaining my point. Readers of TCN platform are wise AND know, whose VIEWS to ACCEPT, and whose to reject.

An Indian

So you accept other traits of Brahmins

Your comment REFUTING "Sati" practice, which was banned by Britishers, under insistence of Raja Ram Mohan Roy. So you accept all other TRAITS of Brahmins, that I wrote in my comment.

Remember - if you try to point "one ACCUSING finger" at others, the remaining FINGERS automatically point towards ACCUSER.

An Indian

Brahmins have made India proud

A Brahmin is respected worldwide. Brahmins have single handedly built India's Scientific and Technological infrastructure and have brought pride and respect for India.

Today an Indian can keep his head high and say proudly that he is an Indian anywhere in the world. Who brought this image and dignity for Indian identity?. It's all because of the hardwork, sincerity and tireless efforts of Brahmins.

Just ask what Muslims have brought unto themselves, leave alone the nation.

Muslims brought respect to humankind

Muslim brought Islam which brought respect to humankind because it teaches

- Oneness of God without any partner.

- God can not be mold into stone, mud, woods, picture or any form and He is separated from his creatures.

- Equality of human beings  [ All human beings from same father and mother ].

- There is no intermediary between a human being and God.

- Widows have right to marry.

- Adultery is a major sin.

- Good deeds or bad deed makes a person superior or inferior not its family in which he born.

- Cunning and cheating as abnormal criminal behavior.

- Do not oppress any one and don't be victim of oppression.

- Everybody have right to gain knowledge whether it is religious or non-religious including women and any group of people.

- Do not kill innocents, women and children.

- Do not do riot on Earth.

Overlooking Vital Historical Facts

Dravidian @ 13 October 2010 - 9:11 pm. under title: Brahmins have......

It appears "Dravidian" is a POST-Independence product of India - just like me born after independence. But I learnt WORLD HISTORY, "not just" the DISTORTED and POST-INDEPENDENCE HISTORY of the NCERT prescribed textbooks. It is NOT for NOTHING that Muslims ruled India for centuries. Had they tried to ENFORCE "forced" conversion, as you think - majority of Indians would have been Muslims. The very fact Muslims are a MINORITY - proves JHOOTA PRACHAAR of SANGH PARIVAAR.

Here is a small sample of Muslim Heritage / Culture, it's contribution to WORLD CIVILIZATION - not just India. Read this, and try to contemplate in your aeykant:

http://www.1001inventions.com/

Surf above, with open mind - leaving aside BIAS and any pre-conceived NOTION, if you have.

Now, if you have audio/video software in your P.C., then watch and listen to this 5-part 5-minute clips from YouTube. It is not from a Muslim, but from Mr. Bhushan Kumar Upadhyay - Commissioner of Police, Sholapur. Click and watch all the 5-parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDdR7G7d-k4

Now listen to this short video-clip, about what Sanjay Prasad Dwivedi - a Brahmin of highest degree has to say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPdts-pxukc

Good luck to you, your thinking, and your blind belief in "Jhoota Prachaar of Sangh Parivaar". Please don't forget to write your views, as I'm sure TCN will have NO HESITANCE in publishing - even if your views are FULLY BIASED. But make sure you don't try to make a MOCKERY of SOMEONE - personally, OR you attempt to use NON-JOURNALISTIC / FILTHY language. Thank You.

An Indian

Overlooking Vital Historical Facts

Do not mislead yourself and others. Voilence has been the way of muslims in the past.

Half of Indian subcontinent has undergone forcible converstion.

Go to a mosque

Go to a mosque and observe how a scholar and a scavenger standing side by side and bowing together before only one God.

Seems this forceful teaching attracting your brethren since centuries, don't think they were cowards. 

Ayodhya verdict saved Muslims

If you ask the Muslims of Gujarat, they say "Allah bless the judges. They saved us from another genocide. These powerless Muslim leaders will disappear or watch silently untill it's all over. Later they will talk and scream like saviours of Muslims. We do not want any mosque. We want peace. Leave us alone".

Giving PRECEDENCE if Verdict Stands !!!

 

If, and that's a BIG "IF" Allahabad High Court Verdict i.r.o. Babri Masjid stands valid - in future, I could MAKE a DHARNA at anyone's PROPERTY, vacate the owner ILLEGALLY; occupy it for a period. Then, I can go to court - claiming that my great great great forefather was a "saint", and he was born on this property; so it should be GIVEN to ME - "legally", "based on my faith / belief", and in light of Allahabad High Court Verdict.

I believe, no court in India can LEGALLY DENY my claim. As far as I can view / discern, this is LEGALLY possible OUTCOME of my future claim, if I wish to make - UNLESS the honourable court AGAIN wishes to do INJUSTICE.

I leave it to TCN readers, especially the learned Advocate - Mr. Balbir Singh Soonch, Ludhiana - Punjab TO CORRECT my "layman 's" view / understanding of the LEARNED JUSTICES verdict.

An Indian

Really ?

Hi Feroze Mithiborwala,

You seem to be critisizing the judges and their verdict going by their religion. Which is still fine and can make a good case to convience logical and liberal minded people. But you too failed to mention that the very secularism that is found in this country is also mainly because of the very same religion that you had critisized the judges on.

Take and example of any other country in the world and see how many people from the minority make to the top most posts, are famous celebrities (not comedians) , and are enjoying more freedom/benefits than the minorities in India.

Look, there are probably thousand reasons which you can use to blame the majority and continue to live in the past - but if you can find one good reason to donate ( hindi - bhik ) that land to the majority and show some character may be it will help every body including the majority and minority to stop  living inthe past. By critisizing the BJP, RSS and other parties you are being nothing but "Captain Obvious".

Because by very design and framework of this secular country we are going to share the same land for next thousands of years - wheater we like it or not.

Thanks,

Your Indian Friend

A 'Masjid' is not anyone's

A 'Masjid' is not anyone's property. Muslims can only be a custodian. Therefore, for constructing 'Masjid' land has to be purchased, it can never be built on illegal roadside land or on govt. property as is the case with other mushrooming religious structures in our country.
In 1949 idols were surreptitiously planted and thus a crime was committed for which a policeman lodged a FIR.
As Muslims cannot gift away something on which they have no hold, government and honourable court should decide what to do in the view of multiple crimes committed on the disputed site in Ayodhya.
Muslims should keep mum.
By the way Muslims need a thousand central government employess instead of a useless top executive.

Indian Hindu, I welcome you

Indian Hindu,

I welcome you to UK and France. There are well known names in media and business that are Muslim. Muslims progress not because you let them to.It is because of their talents

Jai Shri Allah

Hindi Bhik IS NOT acquired by FORCE or INJUSTICE !

 

Respected Indian Hindu Friend, seems to forget AND fails to distinguish the difference between: "Hindi Bhik" ((daan)), using MACHOISM i.e. force OR illegal snatching, and "attempting" to give it a shape of JUSTICE. I have seen a lot of "sadhus" knocking doors OR shouting from road-side: "Bhikshaandeyhi"; but they do not try to FORCE or SNATCH "Bhik", even if they are hungry.

Bhik is given "willingly", and IS NOT taken by force / snatching OR by injustice. I have yet to see a comment, which says Allahabad High Court Verdict is a PERFECT JUSTICE. Of-course humans "lag" faaaar behind WHEN compared with DIVINE JUSTICE. Until this VERDICT was passed on Sept. 30th, I had faith in Indian JUDICIARY. From that day, they lost the "faith" it carried; and I have read scores of comments EVEN from "liberal" Hindus - who say Allahabad High Court VERDICT is FLAWED / BIASED, who CONSIDERED "faith" instead of "truth" OR UPHOLDING rule of LAND.

Try to SET ASIDE religious bias, endeavour to DISTINGUISH between "fact" and "faith", find DEMARCATION LINE between CONSTITUTIONAL GUARANTEE and "RELIGIOUS CHAUVINISM" ((rewind your memory back to December 1992)) - then attempt to post your views. Don't ever consider, readers on TCN platform are naïve to BLINDLY READ, and ACCEPT whatever COMMENT you post.

We know, "Hindutva" dominated and controlled web-sites, DO NOT even ALLOW posting "liberal" and "truthful" comments. If you wish to learn "liberal" and "truthful" comments from other side of aisle, please feel free to visit this web-site. Good Luck.

An Indian

What an extremity of intolerance and injustice experienced ?

What an extremity of intolerance and injustice experienced in India?
Some may call it purely religious act, but the act fundamentally for the political reasons on the part of communal parties, organizations, groups including similar parties with mask on, in gross violation of the constitution of India, so daringly and openly, the judiciary also acted as a party to it.
No end to the injustice and intolerance insight presently in India.
The world opinion is required further to be building up against the unending injustice and the intolerance in India, that’s being carried out cruelly in the manner under the garb of democracy, independent judiciary and the constitution of India.
Balbir Singh Sooch, Advocate, Ludhiana
Chief and Spokesperson, Sikh Vichar Manch
http://www.sikhvicharmanch.com/
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000753376567
Related: Link to read-Thanks
The State Must Change Sincerely Its Attitude Religiously
http://www.sikhvicharmanch.com/Religiou%20Politics-The%20State%20Must%20...
Dialogue on Babri only after SC verdict: Syed Shahabuddin
http://twocircles.net/2010oct07/dialogue_babri_only_after_sc_verdict_sye...

Shia leaders reject VHP's Ayodhya proposal
http://twocircles.net/2010oct07/shia_leaders_reject_vhps_ayodhya_proposa...

A feeble SHOE-THROW accomplished...

 

A "feeble" SHOE-THROW by Jarnail Singh ACCOMPLISHED what TWO "Sikh" STALWARTS of India COULD NOT accomplish in 25-years.

Two SIKH BODYGUARDS ((Santwant Singh and Beant Singh)) successfully killed Indiramma - the IRONLADY of India, the longest serving ELECTED PRIME-MINISTER of India.

President Giani Zail Singh - a sitting president, JUST WATCHED SILENTLY the drama of 1984 Anti-Sikh Riots, as it unfolded in front of his eyes.

Current P.M. and former Central Finance Minister - Dr. Manmohan Singh COULD NOT ACCOMPLISH, what Jarnail Singh's SHOE-THROW accomplished. It "knocked down" TWO contentious accompli to crime - Jagdish Tytler AND Sajjan Kumar from contesting in 2009 General Election on Kaangress TICKET.

We cannot deny, Sikhs achieved RENAMING the 1984-RIOTS as GENOCIDE - but that accomplishes VERY LITTLE. I'm sure SIKHS, like other minorities in India believe in TRUTH and JUSTICE, which our ruling party in Dilli, and "opposition party" fail to ACCEPT and RECOGNIZE.

An Indian

Muslim should improve relation with Dalits and OBC

Muslims should tie up Dalits and OBC to defeat Brahmical forces.  By projecting Muslims as enemy, these forces has manage to bring dalits and obc to its fold.
 

They use dalits and oBC to do the dirty work in riots.

Muslim should better relation with Dalits and OBC

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